Chat Board Archives: July, 1997

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Name: Michael Thom
Time: 1997-07-01 00:19:00
Comments: Great site, Mike and Brenda. The Royal Guardsmen's "Baby Let's Wait" (actually their first single, reissued later when it charted) appears in true stereo on the group s debut LP, "Snoopy vs. the Red Baron" (Laurie SLP 2038). As Mike recalled, it is two-track stereo (instruments all in the left channel, vocals all in the right). Also, collectors of the group will want the otherwise unremarkable One Way CD for the first LP or CD appearance of "Mother Where's Your Daughter," which is not only in stereo but also runs about a minute longer than the single (the group's last). Fans of the Classics IV will be interested in two recently-issued CDs. The first is the new CEMA budget release (CDMO 7777-574022), which marks the debut release of the group's final UA single, "It's Time for Love," on an LP or CD. Also of note is the budget CD "Stormy" by Classic (sic) IV featuring Dennis Yost" on Classic Sound, Inc. (CSI) 75592, which is real hodgepodge. There are remakes of the four Imperial hits (with backing tracks sounding remarkably like the originals), three new songs, and for (I believe) the first time on CD, three of the group's singles for MGM South. The latter includes their last top 40 hit, "What Am I Crying For." The MGM South material is somewhat distorted and clearly was taken from discs, but isn't "bad" if one doesn't have it on vinyl. All tracks are stereo, and the front cover photo is rather bizarre, as it appears to be a photo from the group's days with Capitol (pre-Imperial). Another CSI oddball CD is "Precious and Few" by Climax (CSI 7570). Most of it is mastered from discs and sounds fairly horrible, complete with dropouts, but it contains one previously-unreleased recording, "Waiting for the End to Come" (rechanneled), the first release of the complete version of "Park Preserve" (the edited version was the B-side of "Precious and Few"), albeit in very muddy mono, and the debut LP/CD appearance of the group's fourth single, the original version of "Rock & Roll Heaven" (again, though, in muddy mono; it appeared in stereo on the promotional Rocky Road single, 30073). Other later Climax 45s ("Caroline This Time," "Walkin' in the Georgia Rain," and "It's Gonna Get Better") remain unissued on any LP or CD. The rest of the CSI CD cuts are taken from the group's sole LP and sound fair to bad, with fairly atrocious editing. Hope to see the chat area continue to grow!

Name: Don Share
From: memphis
Time: 1997-07-01 08:37:00
Comments: Amazing new versions of Troggs albums on B.G.O. - twofers of Cellophane/Mixed Bag, & From Nowhere/Trogglodynamite - superb! Also reissues with bonus tracks of Procol Harum's 1st 2 albums on Repertoire - incl. stereo "Homburg"! And a rotten apple - the legit release of the Silver Apples 1st lp, issued to combat the bootleg two-fer, is taken from disc, is in mono, and sounds un-EQ'd for CD - awful, but a wonderful album, anyway! Cheers!

Name: Christopher Dolmetsch
Website: untitled
From: Hurricane, West Virginia/USA
Time: 1997-07-01 11:25:00
Comments: First some answers to previous inquiries: THE SPENCER DAVIS GROUP's "I'm A Man" is in stereo on the Island Masters direct reissue of their UK "Best Of" LP. This CD is getting hard to find now, however, as Island has more recently issued a complete anthology (minus one song recorded in German)which has "I'm A Man" in its single (mono) mix. The German/Japanese Stones albums with Decca hits in true stereo must surely come from either the tapes used to master vinyl Lps or from pristine copies of the Lps themselves (with cleaned up sound). These tracks had been available in stereo internationally on vinyl already. Amazingly there is also a now OOP bootlegged box set of Stones Decca years outtakes with more of their early hits in true stereo albeit in alternate takes from those released. For reasons I still cannot fully fathom there do appear to be some stereo mixes of hits which readers of BSN claim have never appeared in stereo before on some rare and obscure foreign LPs. Japan is not the only country to have had access to such items. I have a Dusty Springfield album made in New Zealand which (through headphones) appears to have "I Only Want Toe Be With You" in narrowly channeled stereo. Last but not least, despite the recent (premature) death of bassist Ronnie Lane (a tragic victim of MS at age 51) plans for the continued reissue of Small Faces recordings in improved sound are still going ahead. The recent Decca reissues (of the first self-titled album and "From The Beginning") are about as good as we're likely to ever get, although producer/manager Don Arden was almost as bad as Stones' impressario Andrew Oldham at coaxing bad sound out of the system. Sadly the Decca reissues each have bonus tracks (from rare French EPs and a couple of alternate takes) in less-than-ideal sound (the claim is that the masters could not be found), although two songs (an alternate take of Timi Yuro's "What's a-Matter, Baby?" and a take of "Don't Stop What You're Doing" with original member Jimmy Winston rather than Steve Marriott on vocals) have not been included, thus thwarting completists once again.

Name: Mike Michel
From: Huntsville, AL
Time: 1997-07-01 20:51:00
Comments: Nice web site. Now I won't have to wait every 3 months to get updated on the fast moving status of new reissue releases and info. Now, just an observation on the frustration that maybe some of you feel trying to get in your collection the absolute best sounding version of your favorite records. E.g., I'm a Byrds fan, and in my early CD days I got the Greatest Hits comp. Then, later I read you absolutely needed the Box set for the lowest generation master tapes and best sound. Now, Sony/Legacy is reissuing the individual Byrds albums - gauranteed best remastering from the master tapes (and first time stereo, too). Drat! now I've got lots of money invested in lots of Byrd's CDs, only there's lots of duplication of songs. I guess I'm just frustrated chasing an elusive moving target. Speaking of duplication, I've found a great resourse to refer to (besides your book, Mike, of course) it's Top 40 Music on Compact Disc by Pat Downey - Published by Pat Downey Enterprises. Lots of good info as to Song, CD, version (45 etc.), stereo or mono and playing time. A tip of the hat to Collectors Choice Music- I love to look through their catalog for new reissue releases and in-house comps. They also are a good place to get imports, but why is Mary Hopkin's hits disc sooooo pricey, Apple? Anybody heard anything on a Peter, Paul & Mary box? I read in Goldmine a while ago that Peter Yarrow was working on one, but how 'bout a release date? Speaking of PP&M, the 45 version of "Puff the Magic Dragon" sounds a lot different than the version on their Hits disc. Boston's got a nice Greatest Hits disc out with almost all of their charters, and some new stuff too!

[ -- Thanks for the info. For release dates of CDs or box sets, I'd suggest ICE, a monthly newsletter devoted to those sorts of things. They probably have a web site. -- MC]

Name: joe leonard
From: texas
Time: 1997-07-01 22:43:00
Comments: Any reviews of Crescent City Soul: The Sound of New Orleans 1947-74 (EMI) or for The Ray Charles Singers: Love Me With All Your Heart (Varese)?

Name: Tony Waitekus
From: Davenport, IA
Time: 1997-07-02 09:43:00
Comments: Found your page from your talking about it in the new issue of BSN. FYI, on Ace's "Teenage Crush", it contains true stereo on "You Don't Know What You've Got"/Ral Donner. Sounds GREAT! -- Tony Waitekus

Name: Tony Waitekus
Website: WHTS All Hit 98-9 Quad Cities
From: Davenport, IA
Time: 1997-07-02 19:38:00
Comments: To the person asking about EMI's Cresent City Soul... I was able to get a single Vol CD, and the sound is good not outstanding. But no complaints. Has some great stuff on the Spiders! FYI don't wait. EMI Records shut it's doors last week. I don't know what this means for their catalog or upcoming projects. 150 people fired! -- tw

[ -- EMI closed it's doors? Unlikely, and if they did, a lot more than 150 people would be out of work. Anything more on this "closing?" -- MC]

Name: Curtiss Carpenter
From: Pinebluff N.C.
Time: 1997-07-03 03:49:00
Comments: I have been searching several recording studios for the stereo version of "Girl Watcher" by the O'Kaysions. I have heard a rumor that an instrumental version was floating around, but the person who swears to have it has not been able to produce it for me. Also, add to your links. I would also like to see a list of stereo songs that have not made it to CD. As for a stereo version of "Califoria Girls" by the Beach Boys the vocal tracks from the box set were synch-ed up with the backing tracks from the Stacks-o-Tracks album. I am wondering if "Have You Seen Your Mother Baby Standing In The Shadows" is in stereo on CD?

[ -- The Stones song is not on CD or LP in stereo, at least not legitimately. -- MC]

Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: NYC
Time: 1997-07-03 13:13:00
Comments: Remember the "private" CDRs Mike had in BSN a few months ago? If anybody has any of these, I would like to work out a trade for a copy or a clone. Please email if you have any...thanks!!

Name: Marty Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page
From: <<<<>>>>
Time: 1997-07-03 14:44:00
Comments: I noticed some information in the last newsletter concerning The Who in stereo - "The Kids are Alright," "Pictures of Lily," etc. Do you think more stuff is going to be released in stereo? "My Generation," "Substitute," "Call Me Lightning," "Happy Jack," "I Can't Explain," etc. etc.??? Also, when you say the stereo is narrow, does that mean it is real close separation when listening through headphones - such as right in the middle of the stereo picture with left and right sounds just barely apart? If this is so, could the narrow stereo recording be put through some kind of spatial expander or Out-of-phase process so that it will "widen" the stereo? If stereo "widening" is possible, it would seem like someone might want to try it on "Sunshine" by Jonathan Edwards. Do you think it would work on "Please Go All The Way" by the Raspberries? With all this new computer technology, do you think anyone will ever come up with a computerized way to make mono into stereo? - maybe a super intelligent computer that could recognize the difference between voice and musical instruments and then split them? Just a dream. Thanks again for the website. I am really enjoying all the letters and learning some great stuff about stereo.

[ -- The Who stereo on the latest disc is very close to mono; the separation is about 11:55-12:05 if it were a clock. "Sunshine" will probably never (IMHO) be "widen-able" in it's present form, since the guitar and voice are really right on top of each other. As for the Raspberries, the song is a mixed mess. Even with technology, it's difficult to sort anything out. I suppose we will someday be able to use computers to separate things into stereo, but by then, will there be anyone around to really care? -- MC]

Name: Paul Piccione
From: Florida
Time: 1997-07-03 18:57:00
Comments: Yesterday on the way to work I heard for the first time I Think We're Alone Now by Tommy James & The Shondells in STEREO. It is great, I wish I could get my hands on a copy!

[ -- It's on a single-disc Tommy James collection from Rhino from 1992 called The Best of Tommy James & The Shondells [Rhino Special Editions R2 71026]. Most probable place to find it at this date is either from Rhino (see link elsewhere in the BSN webpage) or at your local K-Mart or similar store's low-price CD bins. -- MC]

Name: Walt Haake
From: Princeton, NJ
Time: 1997-07-03 22:28:00
Comments: I'm glad this site is up and already is as good as it is. Great job, Mike and friends. Collectors will be interested to know that Taragon is releasing an all-the-hits CD by the Tokens. I've been looking for their Warner and Buddah singles in particular. An e-mail message from Taragon assured me they'd be included. A badly need collection by a label that usually does a good job. I've been looking for Steve Lawrence's "Go Away Little Girl" and I may have found it. CDMO has a Steve Lawrence & Eydie Gorme collection, "The Greatest Hits." And Steve's (solo) performance is apparently on it. Does anyone have this CD? What's the sound quality like? Are they the original hit recordings as stated? Thanks for any help you can offer.

Name: Richard Klakowich
From: Winnipeg, Canada
Time: 1997-07-04 00:07:00
Comments: Congrats on the web site! Rock Archives Vol. 4 appears to be alive and well in Canada in the most recent Columbia House Magazine. (Cat. #754762) Does anyone have a track listing of the "Lost Hits of the Sixties" CD set? Thanks!

Name: Barry Watzman
From: North Canton, OH
Time: 1997-07-04 13:31:00
Comments: First, a comment on the Web site, I like it but the combination of colors and point sizes make it hard for me to read. Also, this box for entering messages should do automatic word wrap at the right end of the line.

I'm a subscriber to BSN and saw your comments in #44 about clone CD's. In January, I bought a CD-R drive for my computer (that's a CD-Recorder, for those of you who are not into computers). It's the greatest accessory I've ever purchased. I'm converting all of my vinyl to CD's, both 45 and albums, using a sound card and CD-R, and the results are superb (limited by the quality of the vinyl, obviously, but the output is as good as the input). This is for my own use only, and I'm only doing it on stuff that is not available on CD. It's VERY time consuming, especially if I take the time to remove clicks, pops, etc., it takes from ten minutes to one hour per song. I get typically 25 songs on a blank CD-R, which costs about $5.00. The other thing that I am doing is making "compilation" CD's for my car, since I can't carry more than a few CD's in the car. With the setup I've got, I can do a pure digital copy of a CD track with zero quality degradation when I make a compilation whose component material is already on CD.

What are your thoughts on the legalities of this? My opinion is that it is legal as long as I bought the original source material and am making the CD copy only for my own use. I take the Supreme Court decision on home video taping off of the air as a likely basis for this, also the "fair use" doctrine of copyright law (which is a bit fuzzy). If I was borrowing the source material (be it CD or vinyl), or if I was giving the resulting CD to someone else, then I think it would probably be illegal. But as long as I bought and own the source material, I don't have an ethical problem with transferring it from one medium to another only for my own personal use, and I don't think that there is a legal problem either.

I bought a Sony 200 disc CD changer and plan to put my entire collection on-line. I have just over 200 CD's, so to do this I may have to "consolidate" multiple CD's down to a smaller number of CD's. I have calculated that my 220 or so pressed commercial CD's will fit onto about 110 to 130 CD-R's if they are full (a CD holds up to 70-80 minutes of music but most only have 35 minutes or so actually recorded). This is also an opportunity to eliminate duplicate tracks from various artist CDs.

This is not for the technophobic. The hardware and software are not easy to get installed and configured, and ease-of-use is only fair. But the cost is reasonable if you've already got a suitable computer [Pentium, large hard drive (2.5 gigs or more) and 32 megs or more of memory]. A CD-R drive is about $500. I think the ready availability of this technology is going to change the way a lot of people approach music collecting. -- Barry Watzman

[ -- This "Chat Room" is a commercial add-on package, and I have no control over wordwrap and things like that. You can obviously change the typeface and things like that with your own web browser.... I think you're on safe ground converting your collection of vinyl to CD and making CDs for your car, but I believe you may encounter some nasty problems putting your entire CD collection "on-line," assuming that by that phrase you mean on the internet and not just on your multi-CD player at home. Record companies have taken a dim view of their product being broadcast about the internet without their permission/without payment, so if you meant "on-line" as in "on the internet," expect to get some heavy traffic on "cease and desist" legal messages from them. They CAN apparently shut that sort of thing down. Just a thought... -- MC]

Name: Tony Waitekus
Website: WHTS All Hit 98-9
From: Davenport, IA
Time: 1997-07-04 19:14:00
Comments: Mike, EMI Thorn still exists. EMI Publishing is still there and just bought Barry Gordy's Catalog (for publishing). But EMI Records (USA) is closed. Classical still exists. The story is some artists will be folded into Virgin and Capitol. So Far I know John Secada went to Virgin. This was in all the radio trade press. And I heard it directly from one of my EMI promotion reps in NYC Barry Pinlac who is now looking. This is only a part of the EMI empire, but it is the part that was putting out reissues under the EMI imprint in the US.--TW

Name: Ken Garland
Time: 1997-07-04 21:16:00
Comments: What is the status of the next book? It was to be 1997? What is the best CD for quality on Little Willie John. Rolling Stones "Have You Seen Your Mother Baby" is on More Hot Rocks, unfortunetly that is abkco.

[ -- And unfortunately, it's mono. Im working on the new book, but it may be early 1998... -- MC]

Name: Bill Haan
From: New York
Time: 1997-07-06 14:34:00
Comments: Mike, anything new on the following: Terry Knight & the Pack (I Who Have Nothing)- my stereo LP is pretty scratched; the Brenda & the Tabulations CD (issue # 38); Avante Garde (Naturally Stoned) - mono on Rock Artifacts; and will we ever see the stereo version of the In Crowd by Dobie Gray on CD?

Name: Joseph
From: Staten Island, New York
Time: 1997-07-06 20:03:00
Comments: A few years ago on WCBS-FM, I heard an alternate take of I Wonder Why by Dion And The Bellmonts. Does this exist on CD? Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Name: Paul Stoddard
From: Boston, MA
Time: 1997-07-07 13:29:00
Comments: It looks like we stereo collectors can forget about anything new on the forthcoming Rhino Big Ol' Box Of 60's Soul According to ICE Magazine, it's mostly mono, courtesy of Bill Inglot. Also, the packaging is completely non-standard. The part of this that really bothers me is that Rhino will use the fact that this mess didn't sell as an excuse for not doing any further projects in this vein. A note to Rhino if you're reading: enough already with the mono. You guys are on my "Do not buy anything from them" list.

Name: Mike Arcidiacono
From: nyc
Time: 1997-07-07 20:33:00
Comments: To Paul Piccione: It will be much easier for you to get "I Think We're Alone Now" in stereo by picking up Bubblegum Classics Vol 2 on Varese Vintage. The Rhino disc is out of print, this one isn't. Anybody know if the stereo "Rebel Rouser" by Duane Eddy is out on CD yet? Little Walter may have snuck it out on a compilation by now. -- Mikey

Name: John K. Walker
From: Springfield, IL
Time: 1997-07-08 01:17:00
Comments: It should come as no surprise to any BSN subscriber that Mr. and Mrs. Callahan's website is so superb, considering the tremendous quality of the newsletter and oldies guide. Thanks so much. Now, a few questions.... (1) Has anyone heard the new SILKIE anthology CD? In particular, is "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" finally in stereo (since I've always heard it in mono on 45 or on various artist CD's)? Besides being a Top-40 hit, this track is also significant because it's the only joint outside production of Lennon and McCartney (with Harrison also contributing), since the Beatles themselves never released it as a single. (2) I've written to BSN a couple of times concerning radio versions of hits which are not merely edited down, or even remixed, but actually contain portions not, apparently, present in any commercial release. The last time I heard one of these ("Daniel" by Elton John) I immediately called the radio station who informed me that they were playing a CD supplied by the 20th Century organization (out of Dallas), which Mr. Callahan has profiled in BSN. "Never" by Heart (which I bought on 45 when it was a hit in 1985 but only recently bought on CD) is also this way, as is a version of "Holdin' On To Yesterday" by Ambrosia, which features an entirely different vocal take on the last verse from either the original album (the 45 is faded out early), or on the new Anthology CD. Since one of the proposed features of this website is a list of album/promo/45 differences, perhaps someone can shed more light on this practice.... (3) Along the same lines, in the latest issue of BSN, James L. Curl lists some hits the album versions of which he contends are actual alternate (presumably, vocal) takes from the hit 45's. As for "Substitute" by The Who, this is partially correct because the Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy versions of their early UK hits were rerecorded due to label and management conflicts. I don't have the 45's of "I Am A Rock," "Sunday Morning," "Delilah," "Mississippi," or "Everyone's Agreed That Everything Will Turn Out Fine" (though I have read elsewhere that this last one was a recalled single version), but I do have the Oldies 45 of "Both Sides Now" and I haven't heard any difference, except that the new Ultra-high-tech Colours of the Day CD features such breathtaking fidelity that I can see how it could seem like a different vocal. Does anyone else have an opinion on these vital issues?

Name: Don Share
From: memphis
Time: 1997-07-08 09:50:00
Comments: Me, again! This time to recommend the new See For Miles Pretty Things EP Collection. It has a rarity or two, but mostly this is worthwhile for the best sound ever on early P.T. tracks. The comp ends around 1966, so if you like the R&B version of this band (not the later psych or mainstream versions), go for it!

Name: Mike Hartman
From: Vernon Hills, IL
Time: 1997-07-09 16:00:00
Comments: Mike & Brenda, I'm happy you're on the's great to see things daily. We all love stereo...can we share some of these recordings? To Your Readers: I'd like a tape of any of these: "Time Is On My Side," "Everybody Likes To Cha Cha Cha," "I'm A Man" & "Dirty Water." I've got many I can trade... "Satisfaction," "Get Off My Cloud," "Boy From NYC," "I Think Were Alone Now," etc. If they won't release them maybe we can share them with others who appreciate hearing them. Just a thought!

Name: Jim Church
From: Ithaca, NY
Time: 1997-07-10 07:44:00

I sent an email note to Rhino Customer Service regarding mono vs. stereo, and got a reply that people should see. My original email note to them:

"Subject: NO MORE MONO!
From: "James Church" ( at Internet
Date: 7/8/97 12:54 PM

I used to love to see the Rhino name on a CD re-issue. I used to assume that the absolute best quality masters had been sought out and used. I assumed that if a track was in mono it was because there was no true stereo master available. That was before I became aware that a lot of the stuff that was being issued by Rhino in flat horrible sounding mono was actually available on stereo masters, or could be re-mixed from the original multi-tracks. I now hate it when I see the Rhino name.

The British Invasion series is a perfect example; a large number of the tracks on this series are in mono but are available elsewhere (usually from the major company releases) in true stereo. The same with my Rascals Anthology and Wilson Pickett CDs as well as numerous annoying other Rhino CDs that I own.

This is 1997 and nobody puts out new mono music anymore, nobody has mono only hi fi equipment and MONO sucks. 1997 equipment does not sound like 60's mono equipment or car radios, so logic that you are trying to be faithful to the original listening experience does not wash. Until Rhino begins to use stereo when it's available, you are on my DO NOT BUY FROM THESE PEOPLE list."

Here is a copy of the email answer I got from Rhino. What arrogance:

"Well, make sure you don't get Rhino's Beg Scream & Shout soul box, because it's almost 99 percent mono, and boy does it sound hot! When we do mono releases, we are being faithful to the original sound of the record we're reissuing. Sure, you're right, nobody today makes music in mono, but we aren't putting out today's artists, we're putting out older music. And we do NOT remix older music to sound like today's radio formats (which I think is what you're asking us to do). We happen to like mono as much as we like stereo, and sometimes we think mono sounds better. Obviously, you disagree. That's life. Thanks for your comments, but we promise you, if it sounds better in mono, that's how we'll put it out. [signed] Bennett, for Dr. Rhino Customer Service"

Please tell me why Rhino continues this annoying practice. -- Jim Church

[ -- Whoever shouts the loudest gets their way. Apparently, there are a few people at Rhino (and at Atlantic, Abkco, etc.) who honestly think that mono is better most of the time. They've convinced the people with the power (who usually could care less about mono/stereo), that their way is the best way. Nothing more sinister than that. My only other comment on the above email exchange is that sarcasm in answering a customer's letter is not usually a good way to do business. It has a tendency to cause little ripples beyond the person addressed. The fact that it's posted on the internet is case in point. -- MC]

Name: Christopher Dolmetsch
From: Hurricane, WV/USA
Time: 1997-07-10 12:21:00
Comments: Mea culpa, folks. After posting a message a week or so ago, I rechecked my CD copy of The Best Of The Spencer Davis Group on the UK Island Masters series, and "I'm A Man" is in MONO! This is in mentioned by someone the LP version of this collection which features the track (Side A, cut 1) in true STEREO.... Since my posting, I've been contacted by several readers regarding my mention of alternate takes of Rolling Stones Decca-era material on a bootlegged CD box set. I don't know the etiquette here, however, suffice it to say this box set (as with virtually all bootlegs) was a very limited edition, and is now most likely out of print. In a way that is too bad, as the sound quality on this is generally very good to excellent, suggesting that masters must exist somewhere of Decca Stones material that could and should be legitimately released for the serious collector, much like the Beatles Anthology set. Of course we all know about Mr. Klein, so don't expect such a collection anytime soon, friends.

Name: Curtiss Carpenter
Website: Ripete Records
From: Pinebluff, N.C.
Time: 1997-07-11 01:45:00
Comments: There an excellent version of "This Old Heart of Mine" By the Isley Brothers on Mobile Beat's DJ collection from TM Century. This version is a different mix and wider stereo than any I have heard before and It's very clean without alot of the reverb or overly bright vocals or drums that cause the song to always sound harsh. Many alternate mixes from Motown have been issued latetly including a very clean (wider stereo) version of Ain't Too Proud to Beg by the Temps. on Time-Life (R & B collection 1966) Disc. I have also found a clean (non-reverb) verison of Dancing in The Street by Martha And the Vandellas. I am currently looking for the clean version of "Get Ready" By The Temptations that I heard was out.

Name: Paul Stoddard
From: Boston, MA
Time: 1997-07-11 15:19:00
Comments: If any stereo collector is unaware of them, I'd like to call your attention to the Motown Year By Year Series. These CDs contain the best-sounding stereo versions of the hits that I've ever heard. As of now, certain key volumes have not been released, such as 1962, 1963, 1965, 1967, and 1972. Although the series producer has several key years ready to roll, it appears that Year By Year may remain incomplete unless there's demonstrable consumer demand. I've just sent off some e-mail to Polygram, requesting that they complete the series. If you're interested in seeing the missing volumes released, I invite you to do the same.

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1997-07-13 16:22:00
Comments: Great site. Has anybody out there ever heard the original "Something's Got A Hold Of My Heart" by Gene Pitney in true stereo? It's his best and most elaborately produced song. So far, I've only heard it in mono and fake stereo (with crackles). Please tell me which CD it is on. Thanks.

Name: Stephen Elders
From: Orange, CA
Time: 1997-07-14 22:21:00
Comments: I have the track info for Lost Hits of the '60s: 40 Solid Gold AM Radio Classics, as requested by Richard Klakowich. I got it from Sound Exchange a few months before it went out of business. The label also says Warner Special Products, so you might contact that company to see if any copies remain. The two-disc set has 40 tracks, all but eight in stereo. Unfortunately, of those eight mono tracks, some of them have been in stereo before, including on CD. One person wondered about "Next Plane To London" being in stereo on the set; alas, it's one of the mono tracks. Here is the rundown:

DISC ONE: Lazy Day - Spanky and Our Gang (S)/The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy) - Harpers Bizarre (S)/Master Jack - Four Jacks and A Jill (S)/Western Union - Five Americans (M)/Morning Girl - Neon Philharmonic (S)/Brand New Me - Dusty Springfield (S)/Turn Down Day - Cyrkle (S)/Shame Shame - Magic Lanterns (S)/Baby, I'm Yours - Barbara Lewis (S)/I Got Rhythm - Happenings (S)/Son of a Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield (S)/Bowling Green - Everly Brothers (S)/Don't Just Stand There - Patty Duke (S)/Sweet Inspiration - Sweet Inspirations (M)/Goodbye Columbus - Association (S)/Pied Piper - Crispian St. Peters (M)/Best of Both Worlds - Lulu (M)/Will You Be Staying After Sunday - Peppermint Rainbow (S)/Next Plane to London - Rose Garden (M)/Bottle of Wine - Fireballs (M)//

DISC TWO: Games People Play - Joe South (S)/Baby the Rain Must Fall - Glenn Yarbrough (S)/I'm a Fool - Dino, Desi and Billy (S)/Apricot Brandy - Rhinoceros (S)/The Crying Game - Brenda Lee (S)/And Suddenly - Cherry People (S)/Malibu U - Harpers Bizarre (M)/Alice's Rock & Roll Restaurant - Arlo Guthrie (S)/D.W. Washburn - Monkees (S)/Classical Gas - Mason Williams (S)/Indian Lake - Cowsills (S)/Action - Freddie Cannon (S)/Mr. Bojangles - Jerry Jeff Walker (S)/Nashville Cats - Lovin' Spoonful (S)/Come On Down to My Boat - Every Mother's Son (S)/I Love You - People (S, with intro)/Little Arrows - Leapy Lee (S)/Mr. Dieingly Sad - Critters (S)/Long Lonesome Highway - Michael Parks (S)/Let It Out (Let It All Hang Out) - Hombres (M).

Name: Marty Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page
From: Houston Texas
Time: 1997-07-16 13:22:00
Comments: I just heard "Runaway" by the late Del Shannon on Oldies 94.5 FM. The organ was on the right, Del was singing in the middle and the other instruments were mostly in the left. Do you think this was the real thing or the alternate take in true stereo? Also, I heard a story that Del Shannon came up with the organ solo in the studio while Runaway was being recorded! By the way, the midi player on my computer has something called a spatializer to make the midis sound wider - I wish I had a device like that on my cassette tape recorder! Good luck to everyone on their stereo collecting.

[ -- It sounds like the stereo alternate take from the stereo version of the Runaway album. -- MC]

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1997-07-18 17:26:00
Comments: Just some info for James Brown fans. The 2-CD Foundations of Funk says most tracks on Disc 1 are in mono, but Let Yourself Go is actually in (poorly separated) stereo, just like on the 1991 box set. On the other hand, the 1970s 2-CD JB set makes some other mistakes. Don't Tell It, Get On The Good Foot and There It Is are in mono, not stereo as listed. The only way There It Is could possibly be classified as stereo is if you take into account the female voice on the intro saying čow! There it is!"on one speaker. Keep up the great work.

Name: mikey
From: nyc
Time: 1997-07-21 13:34:00
Comments: For all you Sam Cooke fans....yesterday, I picked up a 3 LP collection from "Candelite Music" called The Legendary Sam Cooke. I have not played any of the lps yet, but I am hoping there is sone rare stereo here. Somebody please list the hard to find Sam Cooke stereo cuts, so I'll know what I have. thanks!!

Name: Marty Blaise
Website: The Blaise Page
From: Houston, Texas
Time: 1997-07-21 18:22:00
Comments: Just a note for anyone that might be traveling through my hometown of Houston, Texas - the two radio stations you will want to listen to for stereo oldies are - 93.7 KKRW-FM (The Arrow) and 94.5 KLDE-FM (Oldies 94.5). However, sometimes the station will play something in stereo and a different DJ will play the same thing in mono. It depends on what CD they pick up, I guess. The other good oldies station we had here was mostly big band music and it went over to AM so now everything is mono. By the way, I have a short list of songs I am looking for in stereo, on my home page (although I don't think the ones I have listed have ever appeared in stereo yet). Happy listening!

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1997-07-21 19:11:00
Comments: How did Ken Perry get the stereo version of Sly and the Family Stone's "Thank You (Falletinme Be Mice elf Agin)" before you and Sony debuted "Hot Fun In The Summertime," and revealed the existence of "Thank You" and "Everybody Is A Star," in stereo? I had the impression, on Rock Artifacts, that these stereo tapes were being used in 1991 for the first time since the quad Greatest Hits (which I have). Have the two other songs appeared in stereo on a Sony release, as was promised on Rock Artifacts?

[ -- The three songs were in a quad mix on the quad album, which played in stereo on a regular stereo setup. As for the 1991 versions, these were all mixed specifically by Bob Irwin and Vic Anesini for a planned Sly anthology which has yet to materialize. The 1991 mixes were the first mixes done specifically for stereo. "Thank You" appeared on the Legacy sampler promo in 1991 in a stereo version which was about a minute longer than the 45/LP version. "Everyone's A Star" has not yet been out on CD in the 1991 stereo mix, to my knowledge. -- MC]

Name: John K. Walker
From: Springfield, IL
Time: 1997-07-21 21:40:00
Comments: To Joel Goldenberg, Re: "Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart" by Gene Pitney: I wrote to the letters section of BSN a few years ago but have still never heard of a stereo mix of this superb song by the ace songwriting duo of Roger Cook and Roger Greenaway (part of their spectacular lineup of compositions) . BTW, you'll notice "some similarity" between this track and another hit (e-mail me if you want to know the title). And on the subject of my past letters to the Newsletter, I'm happy to report that all of the acts I requested five years ago be anthologized on CD have been by now (excellently): The New Colony Six, Ambrosia, and 'Til Tuesday, along with obvious ones such as the superb new double Fifth Dimension collection. I only wish that EMI/Crapitol Records [not sic] were this responsive. Their latest outrage is an excellent CD-single of "My Sweet Lord"/"Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth)" by George Harrison, obviously using an original master for the first time on the former track. (By their own admission they've been using a third-generation dud on All Things Must Pass and The Best of George Harrison.) Unfortunately, there has been no word on remastering ATMP (they should just delete Best of in its current lineup). And don't even bring up A Hard Day's Night, Beatles for Sale, and "Money" being in mono, the continuing Pet Sounds fiasco (which, admittedly is probably not their fault), etc.

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Productions
From: Malden, MA
Time: 1997-07-22 18:51:00
Comments: Mike, "Oldies on CD" is the best reference book I've bought in ages. In the 6 weeks I've had the book, I've collected countless stereo oldies I never knew were available. Pointing me to Vintage Instrumentals, Volume 2 (Stardust CD-1013) for the hit version of "A Walk in the Black Forest" leaves me deeply in your debt. Polygram, who OWNS both the original and the rerecording keeps reissuing the damned rerecording! I've heard "Asia Minor" has turned up in stereo... Where?

[ -- "Asia Minor" appears in stereo on the new Collector's Choice Music CD More Instrumental Gems of the '60s, [CCM0035/PolyGram Special Markets DPSM 5190], rel. 1997. To order, see the "Catalogs" button on this web page under Finding the CDs. -- MC]

Name: Joel goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1997-07-22 21:52:00
Comments: To Mike: I heard the stereo version of "Thank You" on the 1989 Sounds of the 70s Time Life collection, two years before the 1991 mixes. Just thought you'd like to know.

[ Probably taken from the quad master. MC]

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Record Productions
From: Malden, MA U.S.A.
Time: 1997-07-23 12:57:00
Comments: Mike, Can you settle a dispute? A friend claims the version of "Runaway" on Del Shannon's Little Town Flirt disc is the original single version. I claim the single version is the one that appeared on Eric 45s (badly mastered from a record), and that the one on the Little Town Flirt disc is the alternate take. Supposedly, if the Runaway album is ever reissued, it would contain the single version in stereo. Why has this hit been so elusive in stereo? Doesn't anyone have a clean stereo vinyl copy from which Rhino or Collectables can master a CD?

[ -- There is no stereo for the 45 version of "Runaway." The versions on both the Runaway and Little Town Flirt albums are the same, and they're both an alternate take. The Eric single was mastered from one of the albums. This was apparently an error that was made when the original Runaway album was mixed in stereo. The Little Town Flirt album just used the same mistaken stereo mix. The multitrack session tapes for the 45 version were lost years ago, at least as far back as the 1970s. Recent stereo versions of the Del Shannon albums have been mastered either from a master tape of the albums or from the albums themselves. -- MC]

Name: Tom Daly
Website: Skyline Productions
From: Malden, MA U.S.A.
Time: 1997-07-23 13:05:00
Comments: Mike, I'm looking for the whereabouts of Harpers Bizarre material on CD, other than "The 59th Street Bridge Song," specifically, "Anything Goes." Does anyone know anything about a reissue of this track or the entire album? Tom

[ -- The song appears on the recent Harpers Bizarre anthology called Feelin' Groovy on Warner Brothers [see review in issue #44 of the Both Sides Now Stereo Newsletter. The album Anything Goes has been issued in Germany and Japan on Warner Brothers. The German CD was issued in 1992 and deleted in 1995. The Japanese CD [Warner WPCP 4702] was released in 1992 and is still in print. -- MC]

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1997-07-25 13:41:00
Comments: What are the stereo tracks on the AVI Charlie Rich CD "Lonely Weekends"? The stereo tracks I'm aware of on vinyl include A Little Bit Sweet, There's Another Place I Can't Go, Caught In The Middle, Sittin and Thinkin and Gentle As A Lamb ( the latter two are only on the Trio-Plus album with Jimmy " Orion" Ellis's voice added). I've heard other songs in stereo on Power Pak albums, but these are obviously later overdubs from the 1970s. By the way, I should mention that I write for the Suburban weekly newspaper in Montreal, where I write an oldies column called "Retro Roundup." The column is now about six years old.

[ -- The following are stereo on the AVI CD Lonely Weekends: The Best of the Sun Years [AVI CD 5016]: "Lonely Weekends," "Midnite Blues," "Finally Found Out," "School Days," "Easy Money," "Sittin' and Thinkin'," "Caught In The Middle," "Who Will The next Fool Be," "There's Another Place I Can't Go," "My Heart Cries For You," "Juanita" (undubbed), "It's Too Late" (undubbed), "CC Rider (undubbed), and "Break Up." The CD is reviewed in Both Sides Now Stereo Newsletter issue #40. -- MC]

Name: Michael R. Fiedler
From: Michael Fiedler
Time: 1997-07-28 12:37:00
Comments: Mike, I wrote you earlier about a great buy I got at a local CD store called "Class Reunion 1947-1950." I have since found out this was a special projects collection issued by RCA in 1994. The stuff off of discs is not good, but the stuff off of tapes is fairly decent. Disc dubs I would rate again a D to D-, the stuff off tape I would rate C to B-.

On a separate note, are we people from the 60's going to be left behind by the record companies, including the majors and the next liners? I subscribe to ICE and this has been the worst year I have ever seen for reissue releases of the 50's, 60's & early 70's. There is hardly anything on the release schedule anymore. The biggies..RCA, MCA, Sony (Columbia), Atlantic have virtually nothing for us. EMI America is dead for now so...? The 2nd liners have not been too much better...Varese is starting to drop off in output, Rhino doesn't seem to care anymore, Sundazed is going in a different direction. The only two who seem to be keeping up to are Taragon Records and Collectables (I know a lot of people curse them, including me sometimes, but where else can you get some of this stuff?). Collector's Choice is another one who seems to fill some of the gap, including some 40's stuff. Why is it that the overseas labels.....See for Miles, Ace & Sequel can release this stuff to the hilt and American does little or nothing? You have interviewed several companies in your newsletter where they alluded to upcoming releases....but nothing happens. Era (K-tel) quit releasing their Era label stuff; Bob Hyde was talking about the Capitol catalog, but I don't see anything...Even Music Club...they released Frankie & Fabian & that seems to be it. Dave Clark was supposed to release some more CD's in the states of stuff that wasn't on the 2 CD set; that was 2 or 3 years ago...nothing. Then look at at all the series that were started and never completed....Legendary Masters Series, Capitol Collectors Series, Polygram Chronicles of 40's 50 & 60's, Rhino with the Roulette catalog; I could go on and on. Care to comment? Anyone else out there care to comment? Thanks for the ear.

[ -- First issue: As I've said many times, it all comes down to economics. If oldies CDs were selling well in the US, record companies would be falling over themselves to put out product. They just don't miss too many chances to make a buck. As to the European labels, apparently the oldies sell relatively better over there, at least well enough so that it makes them attractive to record labels to put out product. When I talk to the people at the US labels, I get the same story over and over. Oldies reissues are a relatively small market here. We may not like to hear that, but that's the way most labels see it.

Second issue: People who know the oldies songs "cold" are very rare in record companies today. Oldies don't show up on their radar screen. It's easy to say that all record company employees these days are 20-year old "oldies-ignoramuses," but if we were at a record company, would we be thinking in terms of reissuing early '90s rap and metal CDs? I think not, but that's where the current crop of record company employees' expertise and experience lies. There ARE labels (like the ones you cite, plus Sony/Legacy) that DO have the expertise. But in cases such as Vee-Jay, AVI, and others, if you can't make the economics work, you can't stay in business no matter how good a few people think your products are. Sorry for the gloomy answer, but that appears to be the way it is these days. -- MC]

Name: Joel Goldenberg
From: Montreal
Time: 1997-07-30 13:19:00
Comments: Will l the remastered My Generation album by the Who have any tracks in stereo? I would actually argue against this because their grungy quality would likely remain most effective in mono. Will we ever see tracks like "Pictures of Lily," "Happy Jack," "Call Me Lightning" and "Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde" in true stereo?These were recorded in 1966,67 and 68, after all. One of my favourite Who songs is Heaven and Hell, but it seems to be reissued in mono all the time. My original single pressing sounds like either bad stereo or fake stereo. Does anyone know what the story is here? Thanks.

Name: don share
From: memphis
Time: 1997-07-30 16:21:00
Comments: The Who - My Generation is not currently scheduled to be remastered. There is a dispute between producer Shel Talmy, who owns the master tape, and Polydor, resulting in the former witholding the tape! There has been much speculation about this in ICE Magazine, and in Who newsgroups, but unless the dispute has been resolved very recently, you may not see this one for a while.

Name: mike
From: NYC
Time: 1997-07-30 16:21:00
Comments: I have heard that "The Disadvantages Of You" by The Brass Ring is coming out on a CD...anybody know the title and who's putting it out? Also, I hear that the true stereo 45 version of "5 Oclock World" is finally coming out on CD. I already have a tape of it, but its nice to hear that it will widely available. Anybody know what that's going to be on? Thanks!!

Name: Walt
From: Princeton, NJ
Time: 1997-07-30 20:09:00
Comments: "The Dis-Advantages of You" by the Brass Ring was released this week on Sunshine Days volume 2 (Varese Vintage). Other rarities on this CD include "Let the Good Times In" by The Love Generation, Open Up Your Heart" by Thomas & Richard Frost, "Sandy" by Ronny & The Daytonas, "Look, Here Comes The Sun" by The Sunshine Company" and "There's Got to Be a Word" by The Innocence. I haven't had an opportunity to listen closely yet, but sound quality seems pretty good. Volumes 1 and 3 are wonderful too, especially if, like me, you like that great pop music of the late sixties. Can anyone tell me anything about the Japanese import, Association--From Original Masters? Sound quality? Stereo? Track Listing? Thanks

[ -- The Association CD is a reissue of a 1990 CD which has been reviewed in Oldies on CD: Greatest Hits: from the Original Masters (Warner Bros. WPCP-3536) Japan [AAD] 1990 [Rating = B] Time = 59:27. Excellent sound; slight hiss on many tracks. One Too Many Mornings (M)/Along Comes Mary (S)/Cherish (S)/Pandora's Golden Heebie Jeebies (S)/No Fair At All (S)/Windy (S)/Never My Love (S)/Requiem For The Masses (S)/Everything That Touches You (S)/We Love Us (S)/Time For Livin' (S)/Six Man Band (S)/Enter The Young (S)/The Time It Is Today (S)/Message Of Our Love (S)/Birthday Morning (S)/Rose Petals Incense And Kitten (S)/Goodbye Columbus (S)/P.F. Sloan (M)/Dreamer (S) -- MC]

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