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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-01 00:47:17 Comments: Hmm...I guess I could see why Yackety Yak would be in mono (although I do like the stereo mix), but Stand By Me? That song sounds great in stereo. Dito for Respect. I can't say I've heard I Got You Babe in stereo to comment, and the intro to Soul Man is from a different take in stereo, so that's understandable (although, again, I prefer the stereo mix). In other news - I just got MP3s of "Gimme Some Lovin'", "You Really Got Me" and "All Day And All Of The Night" in stereo. The Kinks titles in particular sound really nice. I'd say the verdict is still out on Gimme Some Lovin' - it sounds like it could be a sync-up, but I'm not sure. There are some vocals during the chorus and the fade-out that I haven't heard before - it sounds like an additional Steve Winwood vocal track. At any rate, the quality of the MP3s isn't the greatest - hopefully I'll be able to get CD copies sooner or later. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-01 00:57:38 Comments: Otis Blue - I know Respect and I've Been Loving You Too long differ in mono and stereo, but are all the other songs the same? From reading Soulsville USA I get the impression that those 2 songs were cut as singles, then a few months later the album was recorded (in a couple very quick sessions - in stereo) and those 2 songs were re-cut for the LP. Leading me to believe all the other songs are the same in mono and stereo... Of course Rhino's CD reissue is in mono, so... |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-01 02:39:45 Comments: For those a bit older, or fans of early r&b, just released is a great 3 cd set called The Johnny Otis Complete Savoy Recordings, which is produced by Atlantic/Billy Vera. The matrix number is 92859-2. It contains all of the early Johnny Otis recordings, most of which sound fantastic! The recordings are from the late 40s to 1952, 77 songs total. I highly recommend it. |
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Name: John
Sellards From: Beckley, WV Time: 2000-03-01 09:31:41 Comments: Regarding "Mack The Knife" in mono or stereo, there is a subtle difference - the drums are much closer (not louder) in the mono, leading me to suspect that the stereo uses a different set of mics - possibly just two overhead? Of course, the track sounds like crap either way, with way too much distortion. Several songs are like that on the "That's All" LP, which I tracked down in mono because I couldn't stand all of the mix differences in the stereo (bad sound, then good sound with vocal hard left, then mediocre sound). And of course, in stereo, the best songs - "Mack The Knife", "Beyond the Sea" and "I'll Remember April" are the worst sounding! |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-01 12:35:40 Comments: Atlantic's practice during those days was to record for mon, then re-record for stereo, even though they had multitrack capability. I think I read somewhere that "Mack..." was recorded twice, one for mono, and one for stereo. They are close, but you're right there are differences. I'm used to hearing the stereo. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-01 14:15:30 Comments: Beetle, re: Hmm...I've never heard that Atlantic did seperate sessions for mono and stereo. I believe they would often have a mono machine running side-by-side the 8 track, but not that they would re-record things. And while we're talking about Atlantic - *yes*, What'd I Say is the same take in mono and stereo, just edited in mono. Well, the "party" in the middle is different, but the music is all the same. |
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Name: John
Sellards From: Beckley, WV Time: 2000-03-01 15:21:08 Comments: There is no way I would believe that "Mack the Knife", or any other cuts off the album, are different recordings in mono and stereo. The only difference I hear in "Mack" is that the drums - really the kick drum - can be heard mic'd closer. And the telephone SFX in "Was There A Call For Me" happens a split second later in the stereo (how's that for trivia???) |
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Name: Dave
Sampson Time: 2000-03-01 15:56:09 Comments: Luke Pacholski: I've also heard the 2 Kinks cuts you've mentioned. To my ears they are definately sync ups. What is being done is that they let the entire song run in one channel as usual, then they sample the insttrumental bit from the begining of the song and repeat it over during the verses to match the rest of the song in the opposite channel. When the Chorus comes in-they sample, say, the second or third chorus from later in the song-and sync it with the first one-thus it sounds like you have stereo vocals. It must be a painstaking effort to put these things together, but im glad someone's taking the time to do it. Same goes for the champs "Tequila", Eddie Cochran's "Summertime Blues" and several others i've heard. It's impressive work. I would like to hear "gimmie some Lovin'" tho. Only wish i had the equipment to do this myself...somehow i dont think Cooledit is enough to pull this kind of stuff off. |
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Name: Cary From: Kansas Time: 2000-03-01 18:19:42 Comments: Recently, someone wanted to know where to get a complete list of CD's in the Capitol Collectors Series. There's a nearly complete list of 30 at Songfile. Just enter Capitol Collectors Series in the album search engine. http://songfile.snap.com/ |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-01 18:29:31 Comments: I'll have to go back and read the reccent interview with Tom Dowd in Stereophille or EQ magazine. I'm sure he said this. There are a lot of Atlantic re-recordings for stereo. It does make sense, since they had multitrack capability, that they played back the instrumental tracks to different vocal takes. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-01 20:39:12 Comments: Ok, here are a few quotes from Tom Down and Arif Mardin, in Mix Magazine and Studio Sound respectively. Dowd: "And we didn't have our own room going then, so I had to do it at Fulton on West 40th Street. Later it was called Coastal. I brought equipment into that studio, gave it to two or three other guys, set up the mics, and let them operate the stereo machine while I went back upstairs and did the initial mix recording because I knew the room like the palm of my hand. At the time, of course, they only released the mono version. We did "Mack the Knife"..." "But when I was doing Bobby Darin, The Coasters and all of those things, if they were done at Atlantic, they were done on 8-track. So that ultimately, when stereo came around, you just whip out the old tape, remix it and issue it. "Here it is in stereo." Those 8-tracks paid for themselves a couple of times over 20 years later." "The other place that I took it that really paid for it a hundred times over, was when I took it to the Copacabana for Bobby Darin at the Copa. That was done on 8-track. After that, in New York, it became fashionable to have a truck, and later you could hire two 8-track machines or whatever configuration you wanted. Mardin: "'Jerry Wexler, and Ahmet, and Tom Dowd would record there, and even when there was an 8-track recorder available, they would still often use that just for a safety and record right to a 2-track or to mono. You only went to the multitrack if there was some disaster. But usually you got what you wanted on the very first take.'" |
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Name: beetle, the corrected Time: 2000-03-01 22:47:34 Comments: O.K., aleady! |
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Name: the
fan From: sydney,australia Time: 2000-03-02 09:21:21 Comments: can anyone tell me where the lovin spoonful master tapes had been hiding all these years?i go to the buddha records website as i read somewhere that they were readying a spoonful rarities set(2 cd )this year and then i thought they must have found the session tapes to do a project like that and i surf in and find out they have found the tapes and are releasing a best of mastered from these tapes,well i heard the disc in a shop the other day and i must say that the sound quality is SUPERB if you have any of the other best of's,junk em!!are there any articles out there where i can read up on about the production of the cd and who had the tapes because i recall reading an interview with john sebastian in"discoveries" magazine in late'97 or '98 and he mentioned that the tapes were thrown out in the 70's because kama sutra wouldn't pay the storage fees,so even at that late stage the tapes were m.i.a. also bobby darin,i've seen a cd called "roberto cassotto aka bobby darin-rare,rockin' and unreleased",judging by the track list it seems to have atlantic era outtakes,the track list is includes things like "splish splash(takes 1,2,6&7) and "queen of the hop(takes 5,6,7,8&9),"mack the knife(takes3&7),i thought "all" the pre 1968 seesion masters were destroyed years ago?? |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 2000-03-02 11:24:59 Comments: Re: Masters. I was laughing when I read the note about The Lovin' Spoonful and Bobby Darin tapes. It proves once again, that alot of the master tapes that we were told were "thrown out", "lost", "stolen", "destroyed by fire", ect, really werent, and are sitting on a shelf somewhere in a tape vault. I've almost never believed the "the tapes were thrown away" stories, because any tape of any artist that had commercial success represents past AND future $$$ to his/her record company. So many tapes have been misfiled because people were lazy, tapes were sent to another record company when songs were licensed, and never returned, people quit or got fired, and therefore werent there to follow up, ect. Time after time, "lost" masters show up as nice and pretty as they day they were made. Remember Clark Enslin a few years ago? He paid 6,000 to a couple who had bid on an auction of unknown, abandoned items in a warehouse...and came across 200 master reels of tape from Columbia Records from the '60s!! Nobody threw them away, they werent destroyed, they were in storage for years, CBS sold to Sony, fired everyone, and nobody from the new SONY regime even knew they were there. RELIC found masters on stuff that was supposed to be LONG gone, like "In The Still Of The Night". Its really a matter of digging untill everything there is accounted for. Look at Rhino. Just by buying Roulette, they own so many masters from the other labels (Hull, Roost, ect) that they will probably never straighten it out!! Mikey |
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Name: Chuck
Iverson From: San Fran. bay area Time: 2000-03-02 13:45:12 Comments: Just a quickcouple of notes: #! when asking questions on board, please leave your e-mail address, we don't bite, but can't help, without it! #2 If Queen of the hop has so many takes, why is it always bad? Now, to the heart of the matter, recently I found this disc "Duane Eddy" [That Classic Twang] BCD 15702 AH, sub-titled "13 tunes in STEREO for the first time! I have never seen a review of this by [MC] or in the good book. Oh yes, it is on "Bear Family" let me list contents Rebel Rouser [m] before Discoveries discovery!, moovin N' Groovin'[m], Ramrod [M], Cannonball [M], Mason Dixon Lion [M], Lonely One [M], Three-30-blues [stereo], Yep [M]"from new tape", Peter Gunn [stereo] "great sound", 40 miles of bad road [M], The Quiet Three [stereo] "nice", Some Kinda Earthquake [STEREO], Bonnie Came Back [stereo],First love, First tears [stereo], first gen. also, Shazam [M], Because Their Young [ Stereo] "wider than Rhino's version, Kommotion [M]. Pepe [stereo], Theme from Dixie [stereo]"great sound", Ring of Fire [M], Driving Home [stereo], Gidget goes Hawaiian [stere], Avenger [stero] Shazam [stereo] first above for Beetlefan? Hope this hasn't appeared recently, nice disc,after box set I believe? Chuckles |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, TX Time: 2000-03-02 15:49:13 Comments: The Duane Eddy Jamie material is out of print at Bear Family, so if you find 'em, get 'em. The box set of Jamie material is outstanding. Too bad, it too, is out of print. Maybe the Atlantic fire was just a (ahem) smoke screen... Seriously, though, is it possible that since Atlantic recorded so much material that ALL of it would not reside in one place but with various studios and producers? Maybe that's how this "Atlantic" session stuff is trickling out. I would like to think that Lieber and Stoller, Tom Dowd, and others would have session reels (at least a few). |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-03 02:00:18 Comments: Actually, Chuck, that Duane Eddy cd was reviewed by Mike Callahan, right after it came out. That's what lead me to buy it. You're so right. It's great! Incidently, has anyone out there ever thought of putting out a "folk box" set, containing such things as Kirby St. Romain's "Summer's Comin'", "Hootenanny" by the Glencoves, "Stranger In Your Town" by The Shacklefords, the single version of "If I Had A Hammer" by Peter, Paul, and Mary, etc. Along with those unreleased cd tracks, they could add others by Highwaymen, Kingston Trio, and dozens of other artists. I've got the money to buy it, if someone has the resources and desire to put it together. I would love to see the afore-mentioned tracks in stereo, from the original masters. I'm sure that "Hootenanny" and "Summer's Comin'" are privately owned. It troubles me that out there, the masters are sitting in a box or file somewhere, deteriating, while we collector's would love to have them preserved on cd. I know that folk cds have been released, but none that are definitive Hot 100 releases. Most just recycle the same tunes, over and over. By the way, though I love the unedited version of "Greenback Dollar", I would also love to have the stereo, "censored", 45 version, as well. |
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Name: Vic From: PA Time: 2000-03-03 11:37:27 Comments: Just a fast note regarding one of the tracks on Vol. 3 of the Cameo-Parkway material: The stereo version of "This Can't Be True" by Eddie Holman is a different version than the single from 1966. This one lacks the organ that becomes prominent late in the original. The CD version also eventually ends cold with the musicians stopping. The single faded at the end. |
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Name: Charles
Ellis From: Staten Island, NY Time: 2000-03-03 21:01:31 Comments: I just want to remind everyone that yesterday (3/2) was the 1-year anniversary of the passing of Dusty Springfield. Do me a favor- take a moment to think of this great lady and fabulous singer who meant so much to so many. Better yet, listen to her music and marvel that we were so lucky to have her around......by the way, we should ALL thank Eliot Goshman at Taragon for the great stereo on the Dusty 2fer- if only he were allowed more access to the Universal/Polygram vaults to fix those masters which have been improperly released in fake stereo! Here's to you, Dusty- the ORIGINAL Spice Girl!! |
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Name: Groovin'
Garrett Time: 2000-03-04 09:50:58 Comments: The censored 45 version of "Greenback Dollar" is on a recent Collectors Choice 2-fer CD, can't remember which disc (I think it's "New Frontier", not sure) but it has both the album (unedited) version (in its' original < |
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Name: Joe
Reynolds From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-03-04 18:58:27 Comments: Interesting posts. I was wondering if anyone had ever found Brian Hyland's "Gypsy Woman" in true stereo...hard to believe that a track recorded in '69 or '70 wouldn't turn up in stereo somewhere. I've also had no luck finding The Bob Seger System's "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" anywhere on CD in stereo or otherwise. Any help?? Lastly, I heard last year that Rhino would be releasing the first few Everly Brothers albums on Warner Bros. (A Date With, It's Everly Time, etc.) So far I've seen only the hits package released late last year. Anyone know if Rhino still plans to reissue this stuff??? |
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Name: Lex Bloom,
Ahead To Stereo From: Boston Time: 2000-03-04 21:01:16 Comments: First of all, to appreciate stereo sound is not at all an obsession, it is a right, and it belongs to people of all ages. This sclub here is almost 44, yet he still has two ears and not just one. Second, Rhino's continual insistence to shove mono down our throats in the name of authenticity, combined with one particular poster's rush to defense of Rhino's practice, is just plain sorry. Third, as I have said before, stereo sound does not in any way compromise an original recording, it betters it. Chapter and verse. |
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Name: Leonard Time: 2000-03-04 22:44:02 Comments: I have an idea guys, just ignore Rhino. Pretend they don't exist. Just don't even bring them up. As for Stereophille, I find it interesting that he went to the SDARS site and posted the same thing here, except he changed the acronym "BSN" to "SDARS". If that isn't an attempt to railroad someone off two boards because of a personal hatred, what is? |
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Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 2000-03-04 23:21:41 Comments: Tonight at 10:00pm ET, Dick Bartley played a different stereo mix of "Hang On Sloopy" by the McCoys. Does anyone know the story about this second, and perhaps a third, stereo mix being around now? It sure took long enough to discover the multis for the first mix on the Legacy CD about five years ago! |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-05 01:47:20 Comments: No, Joe Reynolds, "Gypsy Woman" by Brian Hyland has never been released in stereo. It's my understanding that even Brian Hyland doesn't know where the multitracks are. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that it's among Del Shannon's things, since he produced the session. It may turn up one of these days. One that won't is "Why Can't We Live Together" by Timmy Thomas. He has said, publicly, that he recorded that tune at home, on a home recorder, and it was never recorded in stereo. Bob Seger's "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" is one of those hits that I doubt will ever see the "stereo light of day". If it was recorded that way, it may be lost. But, boy would that song sound great in stereo! Let's all keep our fingers crossed that the stereo master will be found, if it exists. |
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Name: Paul
Bigelow From: Austin, Texas Time: 2000-03-05 12:14:28 Comments: The Dick Bartley "0ne Hit Wonders" had a stereo mix of the McCoys' "Hang On.." with the edited out mono verse spliced into the stereo mix. Was that what you may have heard? |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-05 15:48:00 Comments: The long version of "Hang On Sloopy" was remixed to stereo some time ago. A 45 edit of this new stereo mix was created for Varese Vintage's Dick Bartley "On The Radio" series. |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 2000-03-05 16:55:21 Comments: The stereo mix Dick Bartley plays of "Hang On Sloopy" is not the one created from the two track master by Bob Irwin a few years ago. This is a brand new mix done from session tapes never before used. In transferring the F.G.G. session tapes last summer I found the original four track backing track for "Hang On Sloopy" and then I found the three track vocal track on a separate tape. I then gave an ADAT of these seven tracks to Dave Daugherty and asked him to create a brand new, first time stereo mix. This is what you're hearing Dick Bartley play. By the way, this new mix should be available later this year on a Varese Vintage CD. Dave did a great job of first balancing the four backing tracks and then adding the vocal track on top of those tracks. For those of you who haven't heard it I think you'll be amazed at how good it sounds. By the way that Varese CD should also contain the first-ever correct single edit of "I Want Candy" in stereo. I was able to create it from the original two track session masters that were also in the F.G.G. tapes. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-05 17:37:37 Comments: I hope this means that Varese Vintage is continuing the "On The Radio" and "Lost 45's" sreies. I can't wait to hear "Hang On Sloopy"! |
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Name: Mark
Hanson Website: From: Niles, MI Time: 2000-03-05 22:10:35 Comments: As a Donovan fan, I bought the BGO version of "a gift from a flower to a garden" when it was released in 1993. Lovely packaging, but MONO! So I saw it at Tower Records today with a silver sticker: "Remastered from original master tapes / Additional sleeve notes / Faithfully restored artwork." Maybe I am a sucker for remastered stuff. Anyway, I got it home and it is STEREO! None of the other sticker information is correct (no changes to the booklet, and they actually removed the album artwork from the inside of the case and put a BGO ad for their two other Donovan albums in its place). But the sound quality is excellent! The only way to tell an unstickered copy is the new master is the color behind the clear insert is now white instead of yellow. Anyone got the remastered "In Concert" CD and can tell me about it? |
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Name: Mark
Hanson Website: From: Niles, MI Time: 2000-03-05 22:32:34 Comments: BTW, my own 2 pennies on the controversies a few weeks ago over "good sound / bad sound". It would be interesting to hear whether the disagreeing parties listened through headphones or speakers. It is my experience that many pieces of music that sound wonderful through speakers sound worse through 'phones, because the listener gets more detail (of phasing problems, brief dropouts, etc). And it makes a great difference in the mono/stereo question. I find the first four Beatles CDs unlistenable through headphones (as I do most mono stuff...) but on my home stereo or in the car, they just leap out of the speakers. All IMHO, of course. |
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Name: terryoregon Time: 2000-03-05 22:38:01 Comments: Speaking of Dick Bartley, last summer I purchased "The Collector's Essentials: The 60s". I was looking for a clean mono copy of Laurie by Dickey Lee. I did a song search on Amazon.com and Dick Bartley's CD came up. When I got the CD, I just about fell down when I heard Laurie in stereo. There is a little distortion in the first five seconds (tics and pops that can be heard on headphones), so this might have been mastered from vinyl, but overall it sounds pretty good. Since this was done by Varese, perhaps Steve Massie can confirm this. You remember this spooky song don't you? It's about a guy who meets a girl at a dance. One problem though, the girl has already assumed room temperature. I remember hearing this song on KOMA (Oklahoma) as a teenager. It created a real stir. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-06 00:42:31 Comments: terryoregon, thanks for the tip. I'll get that CD. Mark H., I never really thought of that. I do my listening through loudspeakers. That would certainly influence one's opinion of mono/stereo. I only use headphones when mastering vinyl to CD-R to catch the detail. |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-06 01:42:01 Comments: For those who may be interested, Westside has released a new cd of R & B called Bluesoul Belles, Vol 2; The Tribe and Jetstream Recordings 1964-1976; Jean Knight and Barbara Lynn; WESA 826 which contains 33 tracks of mostly clean, clear, great R&B. On the stereo front, however, it's a bust. There are only 4 stereo tracks--"(Until Then) I'll Suffer", "Take Your Love And Run", "Disco Music", and "Movin On A Groove". Still, if you are a lover of great r&b, this is a pretty good cd to have. It does have the single "You Left The Water Running", by Barbara Lynn, which bubbled under the Hot 100 and made the R&B charts. Does anyone know why there are no stereo releases of the Tribe label recordings? They were recording well into the late sixties. Surely, some of them were recorded in stereo. |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 2000-03-06 13:13:59 Comments: Yes, the stereo version of "Laurie" by Dickey Lee did come from an original album. Unfortunately that was done before the advent of today's programs that can remove those pops and clicks so it sounds a bit rough. |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 2000-03-06 13:50:31 Comments: Re: Beach Boys. The March issue of ICE magazine had a very interesting article about the Beach Boys. Heres the skinny: The "Endless Harmony" Cd from 1998 will be remastered in 24 bit, WITH some remixes. If you remember, this CD had "Surfer Girl" in two track stereo. The remastered Cd will have a NEW stereo Mix of Surfer Girl, and I'm hoping the vocals will be spread out. Also, the guy who is in charge of the BB Cataloge said that they will be reinstating the Two-Fer releases of ALL the BB LPs, all done with 24 bit mastering.This is very good news!! Also coming out is a DVD of the VH1 special, with 5.1 mixes of 4 songs, "Kiss Me Baby" being among them. And lastly, all the Brother LPs are now owned by Capitol and will remastered and released on CD, later in March. And YES, "The Beach Boys In Concert", one of the nicest concert LPs ever released, will be issued, and its being done from the first generation masters, which were never used for anything. They made a point to say that they got the absolute first generation masters for ALL the Brother LPs, which is no mean feat. The sound quality on these is said to be stunning. Really, Really great news for BB fans. BUT.....if they REALLY wanted to do something radical, they would release the Sea of Tunes Series of Bootleg BB sessions as a legit product!! I think they would be STUNNED at the amount of people who would buy them. Maybe thats a good project for thier on line pilot project. EMI, are you listening? Mikey |
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Name: David
Clark From: Ottawa Time: 2000-03-06 15:15:19 Comments: As for the great debate (stereo/mono), I feel that it has a great deal to do with whether one listens via loudspeakers or via headphones to these tunes. Stereo is noticeable and can be appreciated more on headphones and rather well on loudspeakers when positioned correctly. I started out a true stereo collector (like most of us) and still seek those stereo mixes! I have over the years however, come to appreciate those punchy, unique single mixes (take the Beatles "Revolution", "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and many Motown songs) as being just that, the original 45 mono mixes. They sit along side my stereo mixes rather nicely. I don't like "mono for the sake of mono", however. |
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Name: A.N. Website: From: USM Time: 2000-03-06 18:42:15 Comments: Steve, re removing pops and clicks; I'm surprised that no one used components like the SAE 5000A; I used that regularly before the advent of noise removal software. That software has been based on some of the algorithms developed for that circuitry - and those components were available more than 20 years ago! |
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Name: Dave
Daugherty From: Dublin, Ohio Time: 2000-03-06 21:48:21 Comments: For those of you that have been waiting patiently for someone to locate the multi-tracks for the Animals early hits, this will be a bit of a disappointment. I'm reading a fascinating book titled "Inside Tracks - A First Hand History Of Popular Music From The World's Greatest Record Produces And Engineers". It's written by Richard Buskin. Each chapter is about one producer or engineer, and mostly in their own words. Chapter 7 is Mickie Most, and he says "The Animals got on tour with Chuck Berry on the strength of a top 20 hit called 'Baby Let Me Take You Home' and they would perform 'House Of The Rising Sun' on stage. I thought it should be their next single, so after they'd played a show in Liverpool, they got on a sleeper overnight to London, and I picked them up early the next morning along with their drum kit, amplifiers and all their gear. We booked into Kingsway Recording Studio for a three hour session from eight till eleven, and by 8:15, Take 2, I said "That's the one!'. Then, in the remaining two hours and 45 minutes, we made the album. That consisted of songs they wanted to record, really. Songs they had rehearsed and played many times as part of their repertoire, so I said 'Okay, go for it'. We did everything live, straight to mono, and that's how it all started. After that, for me, it was a case of hit after hit. The next one was 'Tobacco Road' with The Nashville Teens, followed by 'I'm Into Something Good' with Herman's Hermits." While he doesn't go into detail about the recording process for the Herman's Hermits songs, it's a safe bet that at least for the early ones, the process was the same, although since session players were involved, anything is possible. Later he goes on to say "Still, as we moved towards the late sixties, things began to change technically. We went from mono to stereo, 4 track to 8 track to 16 track, and things obviously began to take longer, but personally, I like to just get in and get out of the studio". I suppose this clearly explains why none of the early Animals or Herman's Hermits songs have ever shown up in stereo, at least up until "A Must To Avoid". |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-06 22:57:41 Comments: Dave, re: Yea, I was aware that the Animals stuff was only done in mono. However, somebody told me a year or two ago that stage tapes do exist... I wonder if Kingsway was only mono, or if they only used a mono machine - a number of Rolling Stones songs were cut there (as well as Regent Sound - anyone know about them?). On the subject of Micky Most - why haven't we heard any of Donovan's early stuff in stereo? Somebody once said the multitracks were recorded over, but someone else said all the tapes exist safely in EMI's vaults... Anyone know? |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-06 22:57:56 Comments: Dave, re: Yea, I was aware that the Animals stuff was only done in mono. However, somebody told me a year or two ago that stage tapes do exist... I wonder if Kingsway was only mono, or if they only used a mono machine - a number of Rolling Stones songs were cut there (as well as Regent Sound - anyone know about them?). On the subject of Micky Most - why haven't we heard any of Donovan's early stuff in stereo? Somebody once said the multitracks were recorded over, but someone else said all the tapes exist safely in EMI's vaults... Anyone know? |
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Name: David R.
Modny Time: 2000-03-07 04:17:22 Comments: Re: Remixed Beach Boys "Endless Harmony" CD tracks. Mike, the new "Surfer Girl" mix will be a vocals-only mix. In addition, "California Girls", "Kiss Me Baby", the 'early version' of "Do It Again", and the live "Surf Medley" were re-mixed (again!) for the reissue. This is, of course, on top of the seven new 5:1 surround remixes that will be on the DVD release (accompanied by stills and footage)! |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 2000-03-07 11:04:12 Comments: Re: Animals, Hermits, Mickey Most. Theres really no secret about the early Micky Most Productions. He was a big mono fan, and recorded mono even if the studios had stereo machines, like Abbey Road. He liked to record full track mono, and especially on the those BTR full trackers, the noise level was very low for its time. Then, if additional parts were desired (doubling the vocals, for example) he would add the new parts live to a second full track machine, mixing on the fly. The Hermans Hermits tracks had a bunch of bounces because they had harmony vocals, strings, overdubbed guitar solos (yes, by Jimmie Page), ect. The Animals were more a "roots" group, so there probably wasnt all that much bouncing done there. And from what I'm told, EMI has the Hermits stage tapes safely tucked away in their vaults. I'd really like to hear the early Hermits stuff in some type of stereo. Even if the guitar solo and backing vocals on say, "Henry The 8th" could be put on the left side of the stereo field, I think It would sound much better than the flat mono we've had to deal with for 35 years!! Mikey |
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Name: Alan T From: Phoenix Time: 2000-03-07 21:31:38 Comments: I would not wait very long for Mickie Most productions to appear in stereo, they probably never will. Mickie Most himself has a policy of not storing multitracks. If any multitracks exist, they would have to stored by a third party such as a recording studio. When EMI in the USA complied the Yardbirds: Little Games Sessions and More, they discovered many multitracks stored in various studios the Mickie Most did not think existed anymore. To my knowledge, no Most produced Animals’ tracks have appeared in stereo anywhere. Donavan stereo stuff has come out in UK. The US versions of Hurdy Gurdy Man and Barbajagal LP’s are stereo in the “Four Donovan Originals” (UK EMI) CD set. Unfortunately, US versions the Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow are mono. ICE had a column on the BGO reissue of “From a Flower to a Garden”. Abbey Road claimed they did not have a tape of the LP and directed BGO to Japan EMI, who had a mono tape that was used for the early pressings of the CD. Psychedelia at Abbey Road (UK EMI) contains a “full version” of the song Sunshine Superman in stereo. Maybe someone could post the stereo contents of the UK EMI greatest hits and both versions of the US Epic greatest hits packages. |
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Name: Curt
Lundgren From: Twin Cities, MN Time: 2000-03-08 06:01:12 Comments: Attention Steve Massie: Please email me. I've lost your address. Thanks! |
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Name: Uncle
Al From: Long Island Time: 2000-03-08 07:01:33 Comments: I am slightly confused over The Donovan catalog being in mono. I have recently been looking into picking up some of his CD's (all my Donovan is currently vinyl)and thought the great majority of his catalog was already available in stereo. The US Barabajacal (sp?) VINYL album is all stereo. The US greatest hits VINYL album is all stereo (including Sunshine Superman and Hurdy Gurdy Man), except for Mellow Yellow. On CD, I have a Time-Life 60's compilation which also has SS in stereo (the single edit!), but a similar compilation from Rhino has HHM in mono. Another volume from Rhino has "Atlantis" in stereo. If I were to pick up the CD's (most specifically SS, Barabajackal, and Greatest Hits (expanded), are they now in mono? If so, I will make CD'R's of my vinyl. |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-08 16:34:24 Comments: Singer Pee Wee King Dies By THOMAS S. WATSON, Associated Press Writer LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) - Frank ``Pee Wee'' King, who co-wrote the ``Tennessee Waltz'' and helped introduced several instruments and musical styles to the Grand Ole Opry, died Tuesday. He was 86. King had been hospitalized after suffering a heart attack Feb. 28. Born Julius Frank Anthony Kuczynski in Abrams, Wis., King wrote ``Tennessee Waltz'' with fellow band member Redd Stewart in 1947. The two said they wrote it on an unfolded matchbox as they were riding in Stewart's truck. While King's recording did well, a version of the song by Patti Page became a No. 1 pop hit and sold 65 million copies. It became the state song of Tennessee in 1965. King joined the Grand Ole Opry in 1937. During his 10-year run on the popular country music radio show, he was among the first to do polkas, cowboy songs and waltzes, as well as use trumpets, drums and electric guitar in his band. King's Golden West Cowboys were outfitted in colorful western outfits designed by the Hollywood tailor Nudie, a look other stars emulated. Future stars like Eddy Arnold, Cowboy Copas and Ernest Tubb played in King's band. In 1974, he was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame. ``I learned a lot about showmanship from him,'' said Arnold, who played guitar with Golden West Cowboys in the 1940s. King and the band appeared in several of Gene Autry's movies. They also appeared in Westerns with Charles Starret, the Durango Kid, and Johnny Mack Brown. Funeral services were scheduled for Saturday. |
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Name: Matt
Hoffman Website: Referred by: Yahoo! Time: 2000-03-10 02:44:06 Comments: Hi All...... Just stumbled across the Both Sides Now webpage and just spent an hour or so checking out the Stereo Chat archives. My kind of place! Can anyone out there help me locate STRAWBERRY ALARM CLOCK's "Incense & Peppermints" in Stereo? To my knowledge, this song has only been released in mono. Many years ago, I read in Goldmine magazine that the song was slated to appear in true stereo on an MCA rarities compilation, but the multi-track master could not be located. Perhaps it has been located since then? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-10 02:53:38 Comments: Welcome Matt. To my knowledge, "Insence And Peppermints" has not been released on CD anywhere. Anyone care to offer information? |
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Name: David
Clark From: Ottawa Time: 2000-03-10 08:19:30 Comments: actually, beetle, you might mean that "Incense & Peppermints" has not seen the light of day in stereo on CD (or on vinyl for that matter). It appears in mono on the Vintage Music series of CDs put out by MCA (Steve Hoffman's mastering) from the mid-80s (actually, one of the first series of CDs that got me into CDs). |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: B. R., LA Time: 2000-03-10 08:39:07 Comments: RE Incense & Peppermints. It also appears on Time-Life's Classic Rock 1967, and, of course, on the Long Out Of Print Strawberry Alarm Clock Anthology. I just happened to see one of those in a used shop just the other day. Since Dave pointed out that it was on the original Vintage Music series, I wouldn't doubt that it has also appeared in the recently deleted budget series called Vintage Collectibles from MCA. They are currently selling in Circuit City stores for $3.99. Talk about a real one-hit wonder! |
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Name: Markie Website: godtithes From: Colorado Time: 2000-03-10 10:21:04 Comments: I actualy have a question. What was the first song recorded in Motown? |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 2000-03-10 10:45:25 Comments: Re: Incense and Peppermints This track is also on one of the Rhino "Garage comps", I think the first one. I havent pulled it out in quite a while to check I&P, BUT, alot of the tracks on it are stereo, which means there was a concerted effort made to get the stereo mixes. I'll check it tonite. Ah, those wonderful days when R-h-i-n-o meant S-T-E-R-E-O. Mikey |
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Name: Sonny Fan Website: Sonny Bono Atco Homepage Time: 2000-03-10 10:51:06 Comments: Can anyone comment on Atlantic / Atco's 1968-69 CSG Compatible Stereo Process? Howard Holzer invented it, but what did 'CSG' stand for? Atco 45s at the time were credited as 'CSG Processed Mono Masters'. |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 2000-03-10 10:58:27 Comments: Not sure if you will find the answer to your question of what was the very first Motown release, but there is an informative bit of information at the following site: http://www.bsnpubs.com/motownstory.html The question of what was the very first #1 hit was posed as a question on one of Dick Bartley's recent weedend radio shows. Did you get a chance to hear that? |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Madison, WI Time: 2000-03-10 11:26:22 Comments: Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed to me Incense and Peppermints was in stereo on the Austin Powers CD. Don't quote me on that, but you may want to try that avenue... |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 2000-03-10 11:32:48 Comments: The answer to the question regarding the very first Motown release can be found at the following link: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1488/engmotown1.htm |
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Name: Bill Knoble From: Dallas Time: 2000-03-10 11:34:16 Comments: What are "stage" tapes? That's a new term for me. Thanks. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-10 12:14:14 Comments: Sonny Fan: If you scroll back in the archives to around last fall, you will find discussion about "SCG Compatable Stereo". If memory serves, this was reprocessed mono? The first hit single from Motown was "Money" by Barrett Strong, on October, 1959 on the Tamla label. It was re-released on March 11, 1960. The first Motown #1 hit was "Shop Around" by the Miracles, released in October 15, 1960. They were recorded in mono. I got the information fron the booklet in the "Motown Singles Collection: 1959-1971". It has many Motown hits in the ORIGINAL mono mixes. |
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Name: Alan
Carner From: Fort Smith Time: 2000-03-10 12:33:08 Comments: I seem to recall that Incense and Peppermints was going to be an alternate stereo take on the Vintage Music Series Vol. 20. But Steve Hoffman wasn't there anymore, and the wrong tape was pulled, so we got the Mono 45 version again. The song was also on volume 9, in mono |
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Name: David R.
Modny Time: 2000-03-10 13:08:17 Comments: "Incense and Peppermints" is mono on the Austin Powers soundtrack also. :( |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 2000-03-10 13:37:17 Comments: beetle, the first #1 song on the MOTOWN label was the question -- Shop Around is not the right answer (Shop Around peaked at # 2). As indicated at the URL I listed earlier, the correct answers to each question (first MOTOWN release & first MOTOWN #1) can be found there. Barret Strong's Money is indeed the first Motown single to break into the top 40, but not their first release. |
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Name: Charlene
Princo Website: n/a Referred by: From a Friend From: Philly and now Evansville, In. Time: 2000-03-10 14:05:57 Comments: I have a 45 titled MIDNIGHT MARY by Joey Powers, on AMY (blue)label. On the flip side is WHERE DO YOU WANT THE WORLD DELIVERED. As you look at the record on the left side is JIMSKIP MUSIC under that is BMI 5079. On the right is 892 and under that is TIME 2:18. Under the title of the song is (WAYNE-RALEIGH), Then JOEY POWERS, then PRODUCED BY ARTIE WAYNE. I've used upper case letters as they are found on the label. I do not see this on your site. I do believe I bought this record before 1960 as I went to Germany for 5 years and had stopped buying records for dancing. I wish you could help me with a date for this. Many thanks, Charlye |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 2000-03-10 14:46:41 Comments: For Bill Knoble: Bill,"Stage Tapes" refers to the practice of using two mono machines to do overdubs .This was done before the advent of the stereo machine, or the Multitrack machine. Heres an example of how it works: A band and singer are recorded in mono on machine A. Lets say you want to overdub a female chorus singing backrounds. Machine A is put into playback mode, and listening with headphones are the female singers, who then sing their parts live in time to the playback. Everything is now recorded on Machine B. Machine B has the finished product, while Machine A has a Stage Tape...that is a tape of part of the finished product, but not the whole thing. These days, with computer syncing, you could take Tape A and tape B, and sync them so that a true stereo mix could be made. thats something they could not do in the early days, as the tapes would go out of sync too quickly. I hope this clears the subject up for you. Mikey |
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Name: Dave
Sampson Time: 2000-03-10 15:34:53 Comments: Here's a question I hope someone can answer. In one of the recent issues of ICE magazine-there's a listing for a collection "Dick Bartley Presents The Greatest Girl Groups Of All time" (or something like that)to be released on Varese some time this month. Has anyone come accross A track listing for this and the possible stereo content? Any help would be appreciated. |
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Name: Alan T From: Phoenix Time: 2000-03-10 16:01:18 Comments: “Money” by Barrett Strong was originally released on Anna #1111. Motown bought out Anna and “Money” was reissued as Tamla #54027. It’s hard to way what were the first releases were on Talma/Motown. Tamla 101 was Marv Johnson “Come To Me”, which was released nationally on United Artists #160. Motown #1 (or actually G1/G2) was The Miracles “Bad Girl”, which was released nationally as Chess #1734. Both these records are believed to be Detroit only releases done so Motown could promote them locally. "SCG Compatable Stereo" is a mastering system that allows stereo records to be played with a mono pickup. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-10 16:02:13 Comments: Steve Baird, "Shop Around" reached #1 on the Billboard R&B chart, and #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1960. As far as Tamala, Gordy, Anna, Soul, VIP, MoWest, Rare Earth, and the others are concerned, they're all Motown, so they are generically referred to as Motown. , Sometimes companies use diffrent labels to market their music to different audiences or styles. Atlantic's custom label was Atco. Stax and Volt were different companies altogether that were, until 1968, only distrubuted by Atlantic. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-10 16:05:46 Comments: Just a quick clarification before Luke jumps in: Volt was label extention of Stax, so they were also one and the same. |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-03-10 16:59:18 Comments: CSG - probably "Stereo Compatible Groove" . Steve Massie and I both worked on the forthcoming Dick Bartley Girl Groups" package. I think if you buy him an expensive gift from The Sharper Image, he may be willing to post the track listing here for BSN readers! |
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Name: Marty
Wekser From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-03-10 17:00:37 Comments: Or make that: COMPATIBLE STEREO GROOVE! |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 2000-03-10 19:35:24 Comments: Since Marty Wekser has threatened to cut off my allowance (and believe me it is a very generous allowance) I figured I better post the track lineup for the upcoming "Dick Bartley Presents The Alltime Greatest Girl Groups" CD. First, let me assure you, because the licensing policies from most of the majors are getting even worse there are lots of titles we requested that were turned down.That being said, here goes: 1. My Boyfriend's Back--I remixed this directly from the four track session tape that had never been used before so not only is the sound outstanding but the track runs about 20 seconds longer than any other version. 2.Boy From New York City (stereo) 3.Baby Love (stereo) 4. Mama Said (stereo) 5.Remember (Walking In The Sand) (stereo) 6.Sally Go Round The Roses (we-actually Dave Daugherty-were finally able to mix the stereo version with the organ overdub that was missing to create the single version in stereo) 7. Lollipop (mono) 8.He's So Fine (I found the stereo backing track for the original single and Dave Daugherty was able to sync it up with the mono vocal track to create a first-time stereo version...this version also runs out to about 2:03 or about 10 second longer than the mono single) 9.Beachwood 4-5789 (this is truly a revelation...Marty Wekser was able to track down the original three track session tape that had never been used before and get it mixed into absolutely beautiful wide stereo. You'll hear things in the song you've never heard before)10.Mr. Lee (mono but from the cleanest master tape ever used)11.Don't Say Nothing Bad About My Baby (mono)12. I Wanna Love Him So Bad (stereo) 13. Dancing In The Street (stereo) 14. Iko-Iko (stereo) 15.Goodnight Baby (stereo)16. Popsicles & Icicles (mono) 17. Whenever A Teenager Cries (first time stereo for a U.S. release) 18.Want Ads (stereo). I think the release date is late April but either Marty or I will post it as soon as we get the official info. |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 2000-03-10 19:37:48 Comments: Apparently my previous post showed up twice because I clicked on the "stereo" button on my computer keyboard. Sorry about that. |
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Name: Lex Bloom,
Ahead To Stereo From: Boston Time: 2000-03-10 20:44:50 Comments: Those who are clamouring for a true stereo version of "Incense And Peppermints" by the Strawberry Alarm Clock (Uni 55018) may as well just turn on the VCR and watch an old Peter Lorre movie. There were words abound that a stereo underdub had been around somewhere, but if it ever existed it's far beyond me. And IF it's an underdub, what ISN'T on it? Cheer up, SAC fans. There's a lot more to the Clock than just I&P alone. |
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Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 2000-03-10 21:21:44 Comments: Your typical "same 80 songs over and over again" oldies station makes you think that the Strawberry Alarm Clock was a one hit wonder. Not true! Lest we forget the seldom-if-ever-heard "Tomorrow" and "Barefoot In Baltimore." The only time recently I heard (some of) "Tomorrow" was when Dick Bartley used it as local stop set fill a couple of months ago. Consider yourself lucky if the R&RGH affil board op misses the local break or else the station didn't sell the time because you'll hear some nuggets. Jon and Robin & the In Crowd also comes to mind. Remember the yellow vinyl Abnak 45?! And for those of you interested in current oldies stations' power rotations..."Pretty Woman" has dropped out of the #1 overplayed spot on KOOL-FM PHX recently and has been replaced at number uno by "I'm A Believer." You hear it driving to work, you hear it coming home from work...you hear it the next day... |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-10 21:29:05 Comments: To Alan T. Anna was a Motown label, named after Berry Gordy's sister, Anna. Anna was famous for having had a rocky marriage to Marvin Gaye. That's why Berry and Marvin were family. |
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Name: Bob
Olivia From: Burbank, Ca. Time: 2000-03-11 15:50:57 Comments: I have e-mailed Kearth 101, oldies in Los Angeles many times regarding there same over and over policy. their response is that's what their listeners want per a survey. They don't say were that survey comes from. Bob. |
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Name: Jawn
Dough From: Motown Time: 2000-03-11 19:15:14 Comments: Thanks to Mr. Baird for the great info on the Motown website! He really knows his stuff! but who is this beetle guy? |
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Name: Lex Bloom,
Ahead To Stereo From: Boston Time: 2000-03-11 19:27:36 Comments: To John Adkins: Hey, nice to find someone who remembers the SAC as much as I do. "Tomorrow" and "Barefoot In Baltimore" are indeed among my favorites (both available in stereo). Universal/Victor in Japan was kind enough to release the entire SAC catalog, i.e. four CDs along with bonus tracks (mono single mixes and previously unreleased tunes), but they've gone out of print in September 1997. I'm just glad I jumped on them when I did. |
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Name: beetlebug Time: 2000-03-11 19:29:14 Comments: Don't worry about it. |
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Name: beetle
guy Time: 2000-03-11 19:35:56 Comments: Jawn Dough: I got my info correct on the Motown issue. We have had enough people trying to start dissention on this board. If you have a problem with anything I post, E-mail me directly offline. Thank You. |
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Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 2000-03-11 22:08:21 Comments: "Wild Thing" in stereo? I don't know, you tell me. The sound system is in an adjacent room and when I heard the song start I didn't think anything of it. Then on the outro, Bartley (who else?) said "as you've never heard it before" or words to that effect. This was the second song in the 10pm ET hour which is live to all time zones so it won't be on the refeed. Anyone else hear it and care to comment? |
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Name: Billie Jo From: KY Time: 2000-03-11 23:19:15 Comments: I'm trying to come up with the name of the song and artist for the following words: DADDY WON'T YOU TAKE ME BACK TO MUHLENBURG COUNTY, DOWN BY THE GREEN RIVER WHERE PARADISE LAYS. Can anyone help? |
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Name: Billie Jo Time: 2000-03-11 23:22:40 Comments: Left off my domain name on my e-mail address. |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-12 01:38:13 Comments: Steve and Marty, that "girl group" cd sounds like a keeper. I'm adding that to my "wants list", along with the Joe Tex disc. You guys keep it up. You are going to put Varese into the number one spot, yet. |
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Name: Steve
Baird From: Baton Rouge Time: 2000-03-12 09:53:43 Comments: Well, guys, If you didn't bother to go to the URL I provided, and you didn't listen to that particular Bartley program I mentioned, then you wouldn't know that the honor of the very first Motown # 1 goes to "Please Mr. Postman" not "Shop Around." I'll let all of the *BSN experts* argue these points with Mr. Bartley and those who put together the very informative Motown info at that site. (Thanks J. D. -- tried to email you but got a bounceback.) Since we are splitting hairs on SAC as a one-hit-wonder, here are
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Name: beetlebug Time: 2000-03-12 12:47:02 Comments: Certain people who have peen posting here lately are going to succeed in driving our industry friends away with your tempertantrums and snide remarks. They come here to communicate with we music collectors. Take the hostile remaks somewhere else and keep the issue to oldies. |
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Name: G.
TAYLOR From: TORONTO Time: 2000-03-12 14:56:22 Comments: This is my first time posting here.I just recently discovered the BSN site, quite by accident, if you can believe it.Being a serious oldies collector, what can I say? I was floored! This site is a godsend .Not only is it the best (only?) site for collectors with an eye for stereophonic releases,it is THE best site for oldies collectors period!I'm currently wading through the Chartgroup Archives - what a wealth of information! I feel like I've died and gone to heaven.Anyway, the reason for this post: I would like to direct a comment to the industry people who post here. For every bit of negitive fedback you receive, there are many, many more of us out there who deeply appreciate any communications presented here. I, for one, am awestruck to be anywhere this near the industry. If some want to call this "hero-worship", so be it. Be very well, fellow collectors. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-12 15:13:18 Comments: It's great, isn't it? Steve Massie, Tom Daley, Marty Wesker, Tom Moulton, Tom Daley, Dave Daughtry, are all fine, respected industry people. Everyone looks forward to Boppin' Brian's posts. I just hope theykeep coming back in light of the recent nonsense. Mike C. has a fine site. |
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Name: Dave
Sampson Time: 2000-03-12 16:24:11 Comments: Steve Massie: Thanks very much for the run down of the track listing for the Dick Bartley Girl Groups CD. It looks like a stunning package-and high on my list of wants at the moment. I'm extremely curious though-you mentioned that there were quite a few tracks that you tried to license for the set that weren't avaialbe from the majors. Barring the unavaialability of the Phil Spector produced stuff, what were you not able to get for the package? I'd love to know. Thanks. |
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Name: Groovin'
Garrett Time: 2000-03-12 16:30:26 Comments: Beetle, don't forget Bob Irwin, Vic Anesini, and Al Quagleri, all of which have done excellent work for the Sony Legacy series, as well as Irwin's Sundazed label. BTW, you mentioned Tom Daly twice. I'm not all that fond of SDARS. It does the trick, but sometimes a bit too much, leaving the song sounding overmodulated. Just my opinion, though. I do like the material that's come out recently on the Eric label, so I'm not knocking you personally, Tom. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-12 16:34:51 Comments: Steve, assuming "Want Ads" is the song by The Honey Cone, is it the same 45 edit used for the Rhino 'Soul Hits Of The 70's' or is it the mix used for the Eric 45 reissue in stereo? Yes, it is a fantastic lineup, and I'll be sure to pick up a copy. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-12 16:42:39 Comments: Yes, groovin' Garrett, I have many excellent CD's produced by all of these guys. BTW, to anyone, I have a "Want Ads" single edit on a Rhino CD but it sounds like a different mix than either the true 45 or the original LP. Where did the Rhino mix come from? Some time ago, I got the LP mix on the Stax CD and edited it down to the 45 length. It sopunds like the 45 except in stereo. |
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Name: Joel
Goldenberg Time: 2000-03-12 21:20:14 Comments: Re: 45s, my latest obsession. Why did the majors stop producing stereo 45s after about 1962? Did they sell that badly? When stereo 45s came back around 1968, how come companies were so inconsistent betwen mono and stereo? RCA released the Guess Who's "These Eyes" in stereo in late 1968, but Elvis in mono until 1971. Who was the more important? Was it because of radio requirements (Guess Who-FM, Elvis-AM)? The Doors released Touch Me in stereo, but Roadhouse Blues in mono. Motown was also inconsistent, releasing some singles in stereo in '72 (Michael Jackson's Got To Be There) and some in mono (Papa Was A Rolling Stone-as FM-ready a song as you'll ever find). Why? As a result, that song was released in fake stereo on many CDs. Mono LPs stopped in '68, after all. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-12 22:36:50 Comments: Joel: My best guess why companies stopped making stereo 45's is probably money, and the growing numbers of portable, cheap record players. My original Motown 45 of Michael Jackson's "Got To Be There" is in mono, or so narrow it may as well be mono. If yours is stereo, it could have come from different plants using different tapes. ABC/Dunhill also made mono singles in 1972. My copy of the original Four Tops 45, "Keeper Of The Castle" is in mono. The 1971 MGM single, "Double Lovin'" by The Osmonds is mixed for mono. The first stereo single I own is James Brown's "Say It Loud (I'm Black And I'm Proud)" Pt. 1 & 2, on King Records form 1968. |
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Name: Gary Bader From: Victoria, B.C. CANADA Time: 2000-03-12 23:14:39 Comments: This is my second message here, however I check out the site almost every day. Love reading the comments, and I've been an avid stereo collector for years. My fave is Motown, and 60's and 70's soul in particular, but I dig all pop and rock stuff as well from that era. Does Dick Bartley have a web site? I tried a search, but couldn't find anything. The new girl group cd sounds great, just hope they don't stop at one volume. Just wish there were a couple more "rarities" because we got a lot of the Red Bird stuff last year on Taragon. Was hoping for some Pixies Three stuff in stereo, and Diane Ray "Just So Bobby Can See". No major label will ever bother with stuff like that (the Polygram double Girl Group cd basically didn't even know stereo existed). Another track that I have been looking for since 1966 (and it did barely make top 40) is "Tar and Cement" by Verdelle Smith. It's sort of a topical racial song for it's day, and was on Capitol (presumably only in mono). Wish some compilation would find space for that one (in stereo!!!). Anyhow just a couple of thoughts, and hope that Varese and Sundazed keep up the good work. I actually sent Sundazed an e-mail letting them know of their excellent work and product, and got a thank you back. You'd never get that from a major label! |
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Name: John
Adkins From: Phoenix Time: 2000-03-12 23:29:15 Comments: To Gary Bader: www.dickbartley.com |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-12 23:45:23 Comments: Hi Gary, I tried to E-mail you but there was no address. Anyway, finally, there's somebody here besides me whom seems to have a real interest about 70's soul. I grew up with all 60's Motown and tons of 70's everything. Would you happen to know if and where I could find Etta James "Jump Into Love" on CD, or know what LP that song came from? All I have is an old crackly Chess 45 from 1976. By that time, Sylvia Robinson and her husband distributed Chess. I don't know if Rhino or Universal controls that particular track. I've tried to put this on CD-R several times with three different types of software and methods with poor results. |
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Name: terryoregon From: Beaverton, Oregon Time: 2000-03-13 00:47:31 Comments: To Gary Bader: Speaking of the Pixies Three, I would love to hear 442 Glenwood Avenue in stereo, if it exists. The catalogues show there was a stereo LP released by the Pixies Three in 64. Can anyone confirm if 442GWA appeared in stereo on that Mercury LP? Mercury was recording many other things in stereo by 64. Now, concerning Just So Bobby Can See (Diane Ray). Talk about an obscure request. It's so obscure, who would possibly remember it? It's so obscure. . . I just happen to have a stereo copy. I obtained a sealed copy of Diane Ray's Mercury stereo LP (The Exciting Years) in 1983. So, I have one of the best copies in existence. It's been played about four times. I recorded that LP to CD-R last summer. Right click on JSBCS below to hear a partial mp3 stereo clip of that song (670K). Contact me via e-mail if interested in getting a copy of this. All but one song on that LP is true stereo. |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-13 01:55:51 Comments: Speaking of Etta James, has anyone seen a cd release with her 1968 version of "I Got You Babe"? It would seem to be one of those elusive songs that never gets released on Etta compilations, for whatever reason. Like the Dell's cover of "Dock Of The Bay", which almost made the Top 40. Has anyone bought that Chess box that just got released? I really hate to spend $250.00 on a box set that I have no idea about--stereo content, song selections, sound quality, etc. By the way, welcome the club, you guys who just stumbled in. It's nice to have new collectors and new input, joining us old timers. By the way, does anyone know of another source for the "Jukebox Hits" series? The series has been discontinued, and I need 1961, vol 3. I can't get it from Continental Records, anymore, and it is the only cd that I know of that contains the stereo, single version of Jerry Wallace's "There She Goes". All others are either the wrong speed, a rerecording, or mono. |
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Name: Richard
Otis From: Bellingham, Wa Time: 2000-03-13 13:49:10 Comments: Re: Gary's request for Verdelle Smith's Tar and Cement. It is available in mono on EMI's "One Hit Wonders - The Sixties" 7243 5 20399 2 0. It is a 1999 release. Anyone know of any Pixies Three cd's besides the occasional various artist compilation? |
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Name: Marty Wekser Website: marty@source-q.com From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-03-13 16:16:38 Comments: Re: WANT ADS - Honey Cone. It is a bright sounding stereo mix with a lot of punch. I'm sure you'll like the way it was mastered. (If not, I might have to start checking out the want ads!) |
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Name: Gary
Bader From: Victoria, B.C., CANADA Time: 2000-03-13 16:42:24 Comments: Hey, thanks to Beetlefan. I'll check the Etta James out, but I think the answer is no. Thanks to terryoregon for the Diane Ray--haven't heard that since 1964. It was a big hit in Calgary, back then, and I even have some old charts with it on. And to Richard Otis regarding Verdelle Smith, that's a big help. Thanks. Hopefully I will have some new input, and I have the Chess box set. It's mostly the same old (with the emphasis on old) stuff, a lot of very early blues. The later sixties stuff is mostly in stereo, of course "Pushover" be Etta James is mono. If anybody wants more specific info, I have provided my E-Mail address. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-13 18:25:06 Comments: Thanks Marty, This WANT ADS sounds like the same tape Rhino used. But i'm still going to buy this CD for the great tracks and new stereo mixes. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 2000-03-13 20:08:59 Comments: Anyway... Buddy Holly - is any one compilation better sounding than others? Specifically I'm thinking of "From The Original Master Tapes" (OOP), "Collection" (2CDs), and "Greatest Hits". "Collection" looks like the set to get, but does "Greatest Hits" (released a few years later) have upgraded sound? Or are they all pretty good? |
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Name: Mike
Parros From: Hanson, MA Time: 2000-03-13 21:17:26 Comments: Subjectively speaking, I think that the recently remastered Buddy Holly Greatest Hits has a little more "punch" and sounds a little cleaner (but marginally in both cases) than the oop "From The Master Tapes" disc. I once had both versions but decided to keep the "From The Master Tapes" version because I liked the song selection better and for the "50's looking" picture of Buddy Holly on the cover. BTW...neither BMG nor Columbia House list the "From The Master Tapes" disc. The clubs are sometimes good sources for discs that are no longer in the retail pipeline. |
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Name: Gary
Bader From: Victoria, B.C., CANADA Time: 2000-03-13 23:46:00 Comments: There has been a bit of information posted here about the Millennium Master series from Universal, with mixed reviews. Some are great, some not so hot. I have found that generally the Motown ones are top notch (with the odd exception), with the best sounding stereo tapes, mostly very clean, with excellent fidelity. The Marvin Gaye vol. 1 is about perfect, all are clean and clear. The Temptations volume 1 is also very clean. Just wish they would have used the longer stereo version of "MY GIRL" that appeared on the "Cooley High" soundtrack instead of the usual shortened stereo version. Martha and Vandellas has been discussed elsewhere. The Mary Wells is a disappointment. Almost all of the tapes of the early Smokey productions are VERY noisy, some all the way through the songs. I've never found that on any of the other stereo releases of her stuff, so I don't know why these tapes were so rough. "BYE BYE BABY" is an alternate version, but is stereo. Diana Ross and Supremes is pretty good. "I HEAR A SYMPHONY" is an alternate vocal take (narrow stereo) that ONLY appeared on the ORIGINAL 1966 "I HEAR A SYMPHONY" vinyl album (not the reissues). "COME SEE ABOUT ME" is the worst sounding track, with not much punch. There are other better sounding versions of that one. "YOU CAN'T HURRY LOVE" sounds good, but has a noisy intro on the bass. The real rarity here is "SOMEDAY WE'LL BE TOGETHER" which is the original single vocal version in stereo. The odd thing is that it starts off with a couple of seconds of tambourine (never before heard)and then the tambourine gets lost, and is not very loud throughout the rest of the song (unlike the single or usual stereo versions). It's always neat to get the odd rarity like that. The Four Tops collection is excellent. My only complaint is, even though they do a great cover of "IF I WERE A CARPENTER" (it does sound great), how could they not include one of my all time favorites "IT'S THE SAME OLD SONG"??? Now, if only they would do a Marvelettes one, with "I'LL KEEP HOLDING ON" in stereo, and some clean sounding tracks. Stereo is definitely a priority with the Motown releases anyhow. I'm glad Rhino aren't in charge of them! |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-13 23:47:39 Comments: I was just thinking about the Rolling Stones Singles Collection and wondered if we'll ever see a good, solid package of their MONO singles. |
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Name: Joe
Strigle From: Burbank Time: 2000-03-14 01:02:13 Comments: I have a question for the working engineers... I'm very interested in your approach to remixing or mastering a stereo track which was originally recorded with a mono mix in mind, or was never really intended for stereo release. It seems to me that often a mix which approximates the feel of the mono record will be way out of balance in the stereo spectrum (Left channel much hotter than the right, for example). However, if you mix for stereo balance, the lead vocals or backgrounds will be buried or way too loud. I'm generalizing here, and trying to stay away from tech babble, but I am curious whether you feel it is your duty to preserve the original mix no matter how "bad" or to make "right" what was originally done "wrong". |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-14 01:46:02 Comments: A personal thanks to those who helped me locate the "Jukebox Hits, 1961, vol 3" cd. I really appreciate it. |
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Name: S.
Baird From: B. R. Time: 2000-03-14 09:57:57 Comments: Hey Luke, I love that Buddy Holly from the Original Masters, but truth be told, the gold MCA CD (12132) is a stunner. The CD is also OOP, but I recently (about 3 months ago) bought a copy from videoarena.com on the internet. I think it was $24.04 or something like that. Content is similar on the 2 CDs -- there are 4 songs on the gold CD that are not on FTOMT, and 3 on the earlier CD that aren't on the gold. The stand-out on the original that, IMHO, makes it worth looking for is True Love Ways w/the studio talk. To Gary: again, IMHO, the Millennium collection doesn't really offer much to the serious collector. I bought 2 of them when they first came out, and was disappointed to find that the sound just wasn't much of an improvement over what I already had. Just the other week, I bought 2 more because Circuit City was having a sale -- the Mary Wells & Bo Diddley. I wanted the Diddley for "You Can't Judge A Book" because it was not on my early MCA 2-fer. Well, chalk up 2 more disappointments. I spent some time at the home of a recording engineer who lives in New Orleans over the weekend. I learned a lot from him about the way that many (not all, so don't chide me with arguments, please) of the current reissues are mastered. In a nutshell, he said that the reason that those we buy hoping to get truer sound are disappointing is because the companies want the stuff to sound louder on the radio. OK, that's in keeping with what many here say about how they want the reissues they buy to sound, but a departure from the way the original master sounds. He demonstrated this to me by showing me the differences one could see using the graphics displayed in Pro Tools (his mastering software) on a finished product compared to those of the digital master tape. Interesting! |
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Name: Richard
Moritz Time: 2000-03-14 10:42:50 Comments: Gary Bader mentions the stereo "Bye bye Baby" on the Mary Wells Millenium collection. This sounds like it could be the track that appeared on the vinyl copies of the old "Mary Wells' greatest hits" lp from Motown. That stereo version had Mary's vocal on one channel and the instrumental track on the other. It seemed like Mary's vocal take of the mono but lacked the vocal backing of the Rayber voices and had the piano mixed way up front. This would be its first CD appearance, to my knowledge, as all of the reissues including the CD version of the 'greatest hits' lp used the mono take with backing voices. This early Motown 'stereo' (actually, it's more 2 track vocal/backing track) always seemed to indicate that Motown did record and mix in some sort of multi-track , even in the early days and that session tapes must exist somewhere. As for the "I hear a symphony" mono/stereo or narrow stereo: That same-named lp was a mess for stereo lovers. Many tracks were in mono only, including "I hear a symphony" and a terrible hum was evident throughout most of it. We suspected (at the time, in 1966,) much had been recorded in LA, not Detroit. These problems were only emphasized on the Cd re-issue. I had the vinyl, mono lp and swear that the version of "I hear symphony" was the same take as the 45 and the stereo version that appeared on "Diana Ross and the Supremes greatest hits" double lp from 1967 (and its cd re-issue) and one of the 16 big hits packages on both vinyl and cd. Now the situation in Canada, of course, could have been different... Thanks for the info, Gary! We now know what to buy... |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-14 12:59:54 Comments: Richard Moritz, Just thought you may be interseted. I don't know where the hum originated, but Motown used to send some of their basic tracks to New York for sweetening (strings). I don't know why it's so hard to get a good stereo copy of "I Hear A Symphony" on CD because I'm told that one appears on their Greatest Hits Vol 1 CD, probably deleted. This is a Motown song I prefer in stereo only. There are lots of other Motown songs with hum. For a time, Motown stereo mixes were done in a house two doors down from the original Hitsville in Detroit. A doctor who lived next door would not sell his house to Berry Gordy so Berry actually ran cables down the alley, past the doc's house and into the next to connect the multitrack tape machines in the main studio to a board, stereo mixdown deck, and monitors in the other house! No joke! Mixing in winter was hell! Steve Baird, I know what you are talking about. The loudness game is ridiculous! I can do it in Cool Edit Pro as well, but choose to only use the tool judiciously when needed or if a client wants jacked up levels. I will also use a bit of compression if needed, but usually, I prefer the natural sound of the recording. |
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Name: Richard
Moritz Time: 2000-03-14 14:23:15 Comments: I hate to write to the board unless it concerns true stereo matters, but I must address this. Between c.1962 (Eddie Holland's "Jamie") and c.1970 (Temptations' "just my imagination") sessions at Motown recorded in Detroit with strings were with members of the string section of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. Gordon Staples, the symphony's concert master at that time was leader/contractor/string arranger for those sessions. Players included other "first chair" musicians, not just the guys who "sat in the back." The symphony string players also masqueraded at the San Remo Golden Strings for Ric-Tic (Hungry for Love) and played with garage bands like the Tidal Waves (I don't need love) and non-Motown groups like the Shades of Blue (later non-hit sessions for Impact records). Pre-62, post 70 Motown recordings w/strings have been reputed to have had strings added in Chicago,New Yor k and elsewhere; sessions were held in L.A. (per bassist Carol Kaye's website) and such recordings as Brenda Holloway's "Ev'ry little bit hurts" were done in L.A. with strings added there or elsewhere than Detroit. (Staples had a Strad violin and it did have a particular timbre to it - listen to "I can't help myself" by the 4 tops - that repeated sting riff was his contribution.) "I hear a symphony" was written as an inside "Motown" joke. Most Detroiters didn't know the symphony musicians played on Motown records until after this single came out. Stereo content redeemer: "Just my imagination" was one of the first and few Motown label singles to use divided strings i.e. strings spread across both stereo channels, rather than anchored to one channel side. Divided strings were rarely used in early charted artists type of pop/rock. Other examples include "Cindy's birthday" by Johnny Crawford, a few non-hit Roy Orbison album tracks ("Crying" lp on Monument) , and those overdubbed Eddie Cochran Liberty tracks like "Hallelujah, I just love her so" |
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Name: Steve Massie Time: 2000-03-14 14:43:39 Comments: I can't get into all the specifics as to tracks that were requested for the Girl Groups CD but I can point out a couple things. First of all, we had the Pixies Three on our list (by the way, 442 Glenwood Ave. has never been issued in stereo), the Secrets, the Sweet Inspirations, and others. But all were turned down for various reasons.One of the problems with most of the major labels is that if they don't do the manufacturing and licensing for you they limit you as to how many of their tracks can be used on any one "various artist" CD. And basically you can't get any tracks out of EMI/Capitol without a very high guarantee and then having them do the manufacturing.I can assure you that, because of "favored nations" clauses, it's getting next to impossible to license anything from 75% of the major labels.And just recently another major label that has been "reasonable" about licensing tracks to the independents in the past has changed their policy making it virtually impossible to license anything from them and still hope to make money on a package. So the smaller reissue labels are going to have to be even more creative in what they're going to be able to reissue which means that if you're going to license something from them it's going to have to be a "blockbuster" track that you know is really going to help sell the CD. Which all means we're going to see less and less of those "gems" that we collectors really want to have on CD. |
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Name: Boppin'
Brian From: Gasprice Gougerville, So Cal Time: 2000-03-14 15:12:08 Comments: Wow ! Cool MOTOWN tidbits ! Onlyest wish: folks would cite sources for their anecdotes/info/etc... Is there one really good, accurate, detailed book on Motown ? Someone really needs to compile a comprehensive reference detailing alla the stuff like the past few posts touch on. (Or, maybe someone has ..?) Have older trade paperback one by jokey LA writer..(Don Charles, if I remember correctly) good discography... doesn't bring us into "CD age" tho. Yikes ! Been searching for "clean, wide" (there's a new one for yas..) Marvelettes "Beechwood..." ever since hearing it that way on an LA radio show years back.... Cool & crazy !! Hope Varese Vintage does several "Girl.." volumes ! Now, if we could only get the same treatment for "Leaving Here', "Fingertips", "Devil in a Blue Dress", etc. etc., etc. "There She Goes" on "Jukebox Hits '61, Vol. 3" sounds slightly sped up (vs. other copy I have of it, on Collectables 5080) Gee, it's nice to be "wanted" (any good Brenda Lee reissues out lately ?!) , even if it is by someone others consider a "bug"...(see Mr. Fan's tip o' the hat to yours truly a few days back... Top o the mornin' to you Mr. Insect !.. er, afternoon, maybe, by the time I finish typin'..) Shakers "Break It All" * (Yeah, I'm playin' catch up !) is on CD. (Uruguayan tight-suit wearing Mop-Top Beat-group wannabes) CD Reissue of '60s Audio Fidelity LP was in a catalog/mailing I recently got, but they sold out quick ... * Not to be confused with Breakers "Over The Falls"(Himilayan Crop-Top Baggies-wearing Surf-combo wannabes, or Rakers "Work All Fall", or Lakers "Take A Fall", or Bakers "Make It ... alright, that'll do..) ( Anyways, it's out there.. dunno if it's stereo like my '80s LP ri....) Might add a few to the list of "GOOD GUYS" as cited here in several posts....(It's Wekser, not "Wesker", Daly, not "Daley").... How about "Little Walter" DeVenne, Donn Fileti, Steve Hoffman, Eliot Goshman, Bob Hyde, Richard Weize, Tom Moulton, Bob Jones......? As usual, a dearth of the fairer sex.... Altho I recall one gal that did some things for MCA...Diana Haig. Well, back to adding to my never - ending "want list"... let's see, stereo "Stardust" (one of the few nice things about "GoodFellas" !) ... Lovin' Spoonful.... Shirelles... BYE! |
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Name: Mike
Nickel From: Cincinnati, Ohio Time: 2000-03-14 17:16:28 Comments: Boppin' Brian strikes again! Los Fabulous Shakers get me moving, especially their hilarious "Ticket to Ride" in Espanaol... The liner notes on the Audio Fidelity LP will have you rolling around even more - I wonder if they're on the CD reissue? Try Midnight Records for this one - it was on their list awhile back, or our good friends at Discollector might be able to help. |
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Name: Marty
Natchez From: The Great Lakes Time: 2000-03-14 17:49:19 Comments: Gary in Canada....WHAT A GREAT PAIR OF EARS YOU HAVE! After reading your BSN posting, I immediately compared the "20th Century" track against the fake stereo versions of "I Hear a Symphony" that I had on Motown's original "Where Did Our Love Go"/"I Hear a Symphony" two-fer (MCDO 8005) and on my Volume 1 of "Diana Ross and the Supremes 25th Anniversary" disc (MCDO 6193). For years, I wondered why "Symphony" was "missing" in stereo and now I know that a stereo version of the original hit take was never released. To A-B the stereo take was fun, by the way. A few things I never heard before included Diana Ross' noticeable "hesitation" at 1:53 and her later "harmonizing" on the fadeout of the alternate stereo version. I think it also has a better and much more revealing instrumental mix, too. So Gary, share more of your revelations anytime. You made my day! |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 19:30:37 Comments: The most recent Brenda Lee reissue that I know of is the new Millennium Collection, which is for the most part redundant if you have either "Brenda Lee Story" and/or "Anthology." |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 2000-03-14 19:56:11 Comments: Eh...not that I really care that much, but is there more than one stereo version of "I Hear A Symphony"? I just pulled out the "Greatest Hits" 2 LP set (C 1967), and it's in wide stereo on there. It sounded (from posts here) like the version on the new collection was narrow stereo. Those are different from the mono version? Common, beetle, you should know these things! |
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Name: Boppin'
Brian From: Shake N Quake N Bake, Ca. Time: 2000-03-14 20:24:44 Comments: Hey, C & W fans (oops - hope this ain't a spanner in the works !!) - how about what's the best way to find out (timing ? a slight gasp audible as someone walks in as Dolly inhales??) which is the ORIGINAL "I Will Always Love You" by DOLLY PARTON ??? Bradley ?? I was eyeballin' (nice 'do, Doll) a U.K. BMG/Camden reissue "Best of" (#476802-2) & "Here I Come Again" (BMG 10006), but ain't hip to the ways of them hill-folk, re & re-re recording stuff ev'ry dad-burned time they turn around..... Someone had mentioned Youngbloods here a while ago, too. Anyone have their EDSEL (UK) "Best of" (# 561) ??? Say SOUL set : What's the deal on "EAGLE" label ("The Masters" colections from
Bobby Womack (# 44), Joe Tex (#70), Albert King (# 74), etc.) ???? Wow, should I really close on such a wimpy note... oh, well, here
goes.. What's the best Jimmie (Non-"Singing Brakeman") Rodgers CD compilation ?? Severral EMI
imports are available of Roulette hits..... WOW ! We really need your updated BOOK , Mr. C. ! |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 21:05:52 Comments: Boppin' Brian, the original "I Will Always Love You" can be found on "The Essential Dolly Parton Vol. 2." "Essential Dolly Parton Vol. 1" does focus on her "9 to 5" and "Islands In The Stream" era. Rhino does have a hits collection on the non "Singing Brakeman" Jimmie Rodgers which ranges from the Roulette hits to "Child of Clay." |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 21:09:02 Comments: Speaking of the "Singing Brakeman" Jimmie Rodgers, there is a series on Rounder and a Bear Family box with his complete catalog, but for casual fans, collections such as "The Essential Jimmie Rodgers" on RCA, "Train Whistle Blues" on Koch, "Memorial Album" on Collectables, collections on ASV and Empress, etc. are nice to have. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 2000-03-14 21:12:48 Comments: Say...does anyone know the history of the Brunswick label? I know in the US was (at least in the '50s) part of US Decca (later to become MCA), as some of Buddy Holly's stuff came out on there. Interesting though that labels from the era don't mention Decca at all, just "Brunswick Radio Corp". And in the UK - I know the Who's first LP came out in Brunswick in the UK, which would make sense, as they were signed to Decca in the US, but somebody told me that Brunswick in the UK was actually owned by *UK Decca*, and that it was simply an outlet for US Decca releases. And we all know US Decca and UK Decca were different companies (although they are both owned by Universal today). Anyone know? What a mess... |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 21:23:31 Comments: Brian, one more note. She also re-recorded "I Will Always Love You" in 1982 and that version can be found on "The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas," "Greatest Hits," "Essential Dolly Parton Vol. 1," and other albums and as duet with Vince Gill in 1995 on Vince's "Souvenirs" CD on MCA and on Dolly's "I Will Always Love You and Other Hits" on Columbia. The original was released in 1974. The 1974 and 1982 versions both went to #1 on the country charts. |
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Name: Boppin'
Brian From: So Ca. Time: 2000-03-14 21:40:15 Comments: Wow ! You go Brad - man !! Now I know where to go for any other C & W quiz - downs !!! Thanks mucho. I suppose there are other forums for this type of "dialogue" (And hopefully it's O.K. if all posts don't mention S T E R E O ...), but "I can't help it", (OK, Brad, now you GO wit da Hank Williams - ography...!... & don't forget to tell us where to get the best-sounding Johnny Tillotson's version....) I just keep comin' back to "BSN Chat" as my handy - dandy one - stop cure - all !! O.K., did it all get ironed out which is/are the best DONOVAN collections, as far as MOST stereo goes ?? Anyone have " Mellow" .... it's a 1997 2 CD on Recall/Snapper (UK)158 ? ? |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 21:59:47 Comments: Brian, Varese's Best of Johnny Tillotson CD does contain "I Can't Help It (If I'm Still In Love With You)." |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 22:04:46 Comments: Brian: Many people on ICE and BSN do already know that I do have great knowledge in and listen to country music a lot and even have a huge chunk of my collection devoted to country music, past and present. You can check out my music collection databases by clicking on the URL in my post, click on the word music, click on "My Collection" and you have access right there. |
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Name: Bradley
Olson Website: Bradley Olson--A Person With Autism From: Bemidji, Minnesota Time: 2000-03-14 22:43:27 Comments: Actually, I don't mind any of you asking questions about country music as lots of country hits are hard to find on CD no matter if they are mono, stereo or rechanneled and lots of even the biggest hits of country music have never even been issued on CD. The fact that they sell more Garth Brooks than Marty Robbins does contribute part of the story about this. Lots of country songs can only be found on CD in compilations with poor quality or in the form of re-recordings or on compilations that mix re-recordings and originals, including IOU and Stand Beside Me, both by Jimmy Dean, yet the duet by Jimmy and Dottie West entitled "Slowly" can be found on "Essential Dottie West" and that's the only RCA recording that Jimmy has contributed to recording available on CD. Luckily, Minnie Pearl is well represented on CD by the "Starday Years" boxed set on Starday/Gusto and other compilations, also there are several different Red Sovine collections that Gusto has released but the more "definitive" collection is the "Best Of Red Sovine: 20 Greatest Hits" CD and Hank Williams and Patsy Cline are also well represented on CD, yet other artists such as Marty Robbins are poorly represented on CD. |
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Name: Barry
Margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 2000-03-14 23:12:25 Comments: Luke: Brunswick was formed by the Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company of Dubuque, Iowa, which was formed as a piano manufacter in 1845! They started record production in 1916. In April 1930, due to the depression, the company sold its record division to Warner Bros. Warners sold the label to the American Record Corporation in December, 1931, who in turn was purchased by CBS in 1939. They dropped the Brunswick logo instead moving those good selling titles over to Columbia, their flagship label (from 1939-on). Somehow, the Brunswick name and all of the pre-1931 titles got sold to Decca sometime in the early 1940's. Decca used the Brunswick label off and on, and by the mid-1950's it had become one of Decca's three main labels (the others being Decca and Coral). Sometime in the late 1960's MCA (the company that bought Decca) sold off the Brunswick trademark to a bunch of Jackie Wilson's people (most likely augmented by some mob action) and kept it going as a Chicago-based soul label. After Brunswick's collapse, CBS bought up the Brunswick soul masters....hope this helps! Barry |
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Name: David
Bonacci Referred by: From a Friend From: Omaha,Ne.68107-2024 Time: 2000-03-14 23:14:41 Comments: As of 3-14-00,I haven't received issue 54 of the newsletter.Please e-mail me if there has been a delay with this issue.Otherwise I'd appreciate a copy of it.It's one of the few things I look forward to receiving. Thanks, Dave Bonacci 2008 I Street |
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Name: Barry
Margolis From: Minneapolis, MN Time: 2000-03-14 23:16:16 Comments: Oh...and by the way, UK Brunswick was set up by UK Decca SOLELY as a label for American Decca talent. British bands like The Who and David John And The Mood, etc. were on UK Brunswick because their contacts were signed by US Decca. By that, I mean The Who, for example were NOT signed by UK Decca...they were signed by US Decca and their records were therefore put on UK Brunswick...as if they were an American act!!! |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-15 02:24:07 Comments: Boppin' Brian, according to Pat Downey's "Top 40 Music On CD" and my own ears, the version of "There She Goes" on the Collectables 5080 cd is a rerecording. Unfortunately, the version of the same song on "Jukebox Hits, 1961, Vol 3" may in fact be a speeded up version of the hit single, since several of Jerry Wallace's hits were released that way by Curb Records. It is so frustrating! Why can't these people get their act together? The latest Collectables cd of Jerry Wallace's Greatest Hits would be a joke, except that it isn't funny. I hated what you said, Steve, about licensing various artists cds from the "majors". Maybe we need to find another term for the "majors". Their licensing requirements would lead me to call them something else, which I won't repeat here. All of this makes me even more appreciative of what we collectors do finally see released. |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-15 03:32:59 Comments: Richard M.: I may have read that bit about Motown sending the tapes to N.Y. in Nelson George's book, "Where Did Our Love Go?". I could be wrong. Anyway, thanks for all the info! Gary Bader: Good work! I have a stereo mix of "Symphony" on an old LP comp and never thought to compare it to the mono single. I also plan to pick up that Millenium CD. Luke: I've been slipping badly on my knowledge. Keep the info coming guys! |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-15 06:34:40 Comments: Don't laugh, but I just discovered this: "Proud Mary" by CCR is really is a nice stereo mix. I was playing around with the editing software and loaded up the track from the "Chronicles" CD. I widened up the very narrow stereo and got John Fogerty's vocal panned center-left, backing vocals hard right, lead guitar hard right, and rhythm guitar and drums centered. The track is very noisy, though. I also fooled around with "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" by the Rolling Stones on the more common ABKO "Hot Rocks" CD, and is is definately, 100% MONO. Hey, I just found out. I picked up a very nice sounding import of Jackie Wilson by Edsel Records. A two-fer of the "Whispers" and "Higher And Higher" albums on this British import. It has nice, clean stereo, and the music ain't half bad! I remember the "Whispers" LP from when I was a kid. |
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Name: S.
Baird From: B. R. Time: 2000-03-15 10:15:36 Comments: To boppin’ b et al interested in The Bachelors -- Ah yes, an almost impossible to find set of pop hits from the Sixties. Below are the only 3 Bachelors collections I have been able to find. Of these, only *World Of* MIGHT still be available (Try CDWorld.com), but no collection is as complete as Charmaine. The only Billboard 100 tune it is missing is “Can I Trust You” while the others as you can see from the listings below, are missing CITM & LMWAYH. Sound quality on all 3 is amazingly similar, and all 3 are imports. Only the chart hits are listed; each CD has about 18 titles.
WORLD OF THE BACHELORS: Spectrum 552017
GOLDEN HITS & PRECIOUS MEMORIES: Deram (UK) 844 486
CHARMAINE: WiseBuy 869362 |
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Name: Mike
Arcidiacono Time: 2000-03-15 11:04:51 Comments: Re: The Bachelors.....One of my favorite groups. The ONLY Cd set you need is the 2Cd Import from EMI. It has 54 tracks, all the singles, hits or not, B sides, and select LP tracks. The sound quality is fabulous. Most tracks are stereo, there are a few that are not. But EMI did a great job in finding first generation masters for this set. Can I Trust You is included. And its not impossible to find either, go right to collectors choice or Discollector. I also was told that Amazon has it, and for a good price, 22.99 or so. I recommend this set VERY highly. It was so nice to hear "Love Me With All Your Heart" and "No Arms Can Ever Hold You" in clear, beautiful stereo. Hope this helps!! Mikey |
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Name: Mikey babe Time: 2000-03-15 11:14:24 Comments: Can someone post the URL for the ICE chat board? thanks! |
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Name: beetlefan Time: 2000-03-15 13:27:31 Comments: http://www.icemagazine.com |
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Name: Ken
Garland From: Los Angeles Time: 2000-03-15 13:53:41 Comments: For Johnny Tillotson fans, the ACE CD has 30 songs with the only one missing that i wanted was "pledging my love", which is on American Dreams by LaserLight. |
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Name: Luke
Pacholski Website: LukPac.org From: Racine, WI Time: 2000-03-15 17:08:02 Comments: Re: Stones stereo. Yea, the ABKCO CDs for the most part use the mono mixes (unfortunately), but Play With Fire on the US Hot Rocks *is* stereo, just *VERY* narrow. Strange. Also, the US "Now!" CD has Heart Of Stone, What A Shame, and Down The Road Apeice all in true (wide) stereo. That's about it for early stuff in stereo in the US - although I Can't Be Satisfied *might* be in stereo on the More Hot Rocks disc. It is in stereo on tape...:-0 |
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Name: Marty
Natchez From: The Great Lakes Time: 2000-03-15 17:49:45 Comments: Staying on the subject of The Bachelors, were the single and LP versions of "I Believe" different recordings, different mixes, or different edits? I think Mike C. once noted that a previous hits CD on the group specifically included the "45 version" in mono. Can't remember which one, either. Any informed believers out there? |
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Name: Martin T. Boratyn From: California Time: 2000-03-15 21:16:44 Comments: For a previous posting by a name that escapes me : I have listened to my original Chancellor stereo single of "Two Fools" by Frankie Avalon and can assure everyone that that song is the same version that appears on the Varese Vintage cd 'Best of' Frankie Avalon. The timing difference of four to six seconds is the result of "dead air" at the close of the cd track. The calypso version referred to in the posting was likely a different arrangerment of the same song that appeared on a subsequent Chancellor album. By the way, for any Avalon fan the Varese disc is a must since the source tapes used in the remastering process were pristine. On another subject, I would like to hear from anyone on why the first three hits of Bill Deal and the Rhondells have never appeared in stereo? It is baffling to met to hear "May I", "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am", and "I've Been Hurt" in MONO. For criss sake we're talking 1969 here!!!!!!!! I thought Stax was slow in stereo recording but this is ridiculous. Any conjecture as to where are the likely multi-tracks? Comments are welcomed. |
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Name: terryoregon From: Beaverton, Oregon Time: 2000-03-15 22:14:06 Comments: To Ken Garland: I've got both the ACE and Varese CD's of Johnny Tillotson. I used to think "Poetry In Motion" on the ACE CD was perfectly acceptable . . . .until I heard the Varese version. The Varese version is much better (from the master tapes). Also, Varese has the stereo version of Earth Angel, ACE doesn't. On the other hand, the ACE has more songs. Missing from both are the stereo versions of Princess, Princess, and Cutie Pie (that do exist). |
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Name: Randy
Price Website: Referred by: NewsGroups Time: 2000-03-15 23:31:28 Comments: Re The Bachelors: First of all, a slight correction to Mikey's earlier post... The Decca Years 1962-1972 2-CD set is on the UK Decca label, through Universal, not EMI. (And several online music sites have it for less than $25--don't pay more!) "I Believe" is mono on this set. The previous CD that stated "[Mono] Single Version" for that track was Golden Hits and Precious Memories (Deram UK) from 1995. I compared the mono version with the one on the U.S. stereo Presenting: The Bachelors LP: They both play to exactly the same length, and both sound like the same recording; the drums are mixed up a bit more on the mono version, but otherwise I don't hear any particular difference. |
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Name: John
Preston From: Arlington, Texas Time: 2000-03-16 01:40:46 Comments: terryoregon, besides "Princess, Princess" and "Cutie Pie", we are also missing the stereo version of "Out Of My Mind", which I dearly love. It seems so strange to me that after all the Johnny Tillotson releases, from various labels, that have appeared in the last few years, there are still so many unreleased versions of his hits. |
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Name: Richard
Otis From: Belli |